Dragged forward from yesterday in response to Spin…
Yeah, I read about the long-term issues, never had a single hiccup on my ’13 model, but it’s only at about 42K and I’ll swap as usual before 50K. I love vehicles but I don’t fall in love with them, usually trade for less than repairing/refurbing the old one due to still having dealer cred from being a partner in an RV dealership years ago and I don’t have to deal with the bullshit.
Story about the F-150 ecoboost…first week I had it I was still kind of shocked at the power so I took it out to a long flat road and nailed it from a stop; by what I knew was a quarter mile I was over 90 and kept my foot in it. All of a sudden it went flat like I hit a brick wall and I thought oh fook I broke the damn thing already! Turns out it hit 100 and the stupid speed limiter which I didn’t know about kicked in. Never thought I’d drive a full-size truck with a six, but this damn thing is a rocket. And I’ve pulled a flatbed with a medium John Deere/bush hog too, no strain at all. Still, I’ll try something different next, I don’t like the idea of that ten speed either and I’m not too fond of the all-aluminum body thing.
So what’s next? I dunno, I’ve tried most but I won’t buy GM anymore since I’m still pissed about the sellout. I’d like an F-250 diesel but can’t justify 50K+ for what’s mostly for me an around-town ride with just occasional hauling…we’ll see.
March 19, 2017 at 10:37 pm
Kafiroon
A seed limiter?
That means a large explosion and truck be no more.
OR, I build something to put in it.
A Ford and it’s still Govt. Motors. Puke.
HaH! I looked Before I had breakfast!
Good thing too.
JTC: spent my seed along with my youthful “speed”.
Which results in the old quote: “If I had known I was going to live this long…”
March 20, 2017 at 8:56 am
MasterDiver
Eye…bleach…PLEASE!!!!
Zar Belk!
March 20, 2017 at 9:06 am
Pamela
She’s had one too many sandwiches already and needs to get off her ass.
March 20, 2017 at 6:12 pm
DonS
Poor dear don’t know how t’ spell “sammich!” I’d just pull out my magic wand and say “abracadabra-poof, you’re a sand-witch!” only nobody’d want to eat any of that! Sorry, here’s the bleach: http://eyebleach.com/
March 20, 2017 at 9:33 am
Spin Drift
JTC:
I had Envoy Denali that was traded in for the F150. It had the 5.3 with displacement on demand that was burning a qt every thousand. Known flaw in the DOD LH6 motor.
Also had a chuggle problem with the 4L60 locking u and unlocking. Could never get a straight answer from GM engineers on that one. My suspicion is that a correction to the code would require a recert from the EPA. Only needed to change MAP sensor code setting to not go into lock up/lock down at a low vacuum level. Simple but it would change the emissions profile. Can’t have that so I lived with the chuggle for 5 years. Eff’ing EPA, shoot everyone of the bastards.
The Big D should freeze EPA regs to 2005 for light vehicles and Tier 2 on highway trucks. I worked on Tier 3 for CAT, what a convoluted mess that was and Tier 4 is worse. CAT got out of on road engines. Killed a whole lot of US union jobs when they folded that.
Let the free market decide what people will buy. Also this would free up a lot of engineering time to actually useful crap like finding a better heating and cooking source for India. Want to talk about greenhouse gasses (spit) then try doing your everyday living by burning cow flops.
Spin
Free the Engineers!
March 20, 2017 at 1:30 pm
RegT
My wife was driving our 2010 Toyota Tundra when it went into what I discovered is called “Limp Mode” – where the vehicle will not go any faster than 30 mph, not matter how much gas you give it. Turns out there is an EPA mandated code in the computer that forces a hard fault if ANY part of the emissions system stops working properly. “Limp Mode” is extremely dangerous, as you can not move the vehicle fast enough to get out of the way of a wrong-way driver or other potentially fatal encounters on the highway. Plus, we live 80 miles from the nearest Toyota dealer’s repair department, which is the only place it can be fixed.
Turns out the truck has two air injection pumps, along with some valves, that slightly reduce emissions during the 30 seconds of the cold start of a vehicle which hasn’t been run overnight or for a few hours after the last operation of the truck. $4000 to fix (that’s not a typo) _but_ the problem is so common that Toyota extended the warranty on this system to 10 years and 150,000 miles. Thankfully, we were just a little over 100,000 and only had the truck for seven years.
The EPA needs to be shut down completely, or at least stripped of any regulatory power that isn’t mandated by legislation from Congress. Nothing should be regulated solely by the agency, as it is right now. I’d like to flay the skin off of whichever EPA bureaucrats wrote the regulation requiring the hard fault, as it put my wife in danger on the road.
Bought on flea-bay for my 50th back in ’04. Very well put together hot rod with all the right components on that 350 driveline, 4-wheel discs, vintage A/C, and that’s a set of Cragar Tru-Spoke wires I bought new-in-box at my pawn shop that I switched out with the Rallys that were on it. Paid half or less of what it would cost to build not including labor, and while I understand guys that build their own out of love, I just loved to drive it.
So anyway, had fun with it for about five years but it was spending too much time in the garage, so it was time…if you love it let it go they say. Got exactly what I paid back out of it, could have gotten more but this guy drove over from the west coast of FL and loved it as much as me, so I knew it would have a good home. Better to have loved and lost, etc. Sigh.
March 20, 2017 at 11:09 am
Jim Brock
JTC: I bought an Explorer a couple of years ago with the eco-boost on a V-6. Takes off like a rabbit. Must be built on an F-150 base.
Jim
March 20, 2017 at 12:07 pm
Pamela
How does a curious person go about bypassing a speed limiter?
That lot of spoil sports have no fun in their souls ~ Imagine if they put a speed limiter on the TR-X pr SR-72.
More a software than hardware thing I was told. There’s a performance chip that defeats the limiter and some other things I don’t remember. Voids the warranty though doncha know, so I didn’t do it.
It’s irritating to know it’s there and like Spin said it’s another tentacle of gov control. But if I hadn’t been curious to feel a 214 c.i. six haul a 5500 lb truck to 90+ mph that quick I wouldn’t have found out about it…and I’m too damn old to be running triple digits anymore anyway. But yeah, it’s the principle of the thing.
It’ll be gone soon anyway and I don’t know what will replace it. I do know that with all the Mopar talk recently that my next truck won’t be a hemi…next time there’s an automotive thread where we can burn up some more of Chris’s bandwidth on a tangent I can tell you about the ’08 Quad Cab 4X4 Hemi piece of shit I bought back then and why it was such a piece of shit that it didn’t make it to my usual 50K mile trade threshold.
March 19, 2017 at 10:27 pm
Vince
Left hand, right hand…. no hand… it’s all good.
March 19, 2017 at 10:32 pm
JIMV
Best of all, he drives and she ‘shifts’…
March 20, 2017 at 12:10 pm
Pamela
All depends on when you rotate the compass
March 19, 2017 at 10:48 pm
Swansonic
High power / fast car. When you want to feel everything move with a multi-cylinder symphony.
With the occasional wheel chirp – kinda like critters screaming for help…
March 19, 2017 at 10:51 pm
AlphaMike
When all of these federal judges find themselves in prison awaiting execution on treason charges, I hope Trump can persuade the networks to cover the injections live.
If the networks can find a news weasel that isn’t awaiting the same fate.
March 19, 2017 at 11:18 pm
formwiz
Malfeasance and misfeasance, but not treason.
March 19, 2017 at 11:48 pm
TJ
The judges are guilty of aiding and abetting an enemy (as defined by presidential action in prohibiting immigration or visits from), which is by definition treason. However, since only a fraction (large, small) of refugees are potential terrorists (though a much larger fraction might arguably be guilty of sedition if they promote sharia law over the Constitution), such a charge could probably not be made to stick, and it’s certainly true that it would never survive impeachment proceedings, much less post-impeachment trial and conviction.
If any terrorist attack is shown to have been conducted by a refugee (or other person) who entered the US in a fashion traceable to a specific judicial action, the calculus – both political and legal – changes. Even sympathetic Demorat congresscritters would be hard pressed not to support impeachment, and if impeachment occurs, trial and conviction (particularly if the death penalty were taken off the table, not that they wouldn’t deserve it under the circumstances) seems inevitable. NOT, mind you, that I hope such an event occurs.
March 20, 2017 at 8:58 am
MasterDiver
Why waste the chemistry? Ropes and trees are reusable.
Zar Belk!
March 20, 2017 at 9:08 am
Pamela
Good use of reusable resources and a Tyrant
March 20, 2017 at 6:59 pm
Old Codger
When all of these federal judges find themselves in prison awaiting execution on treason charges,
Never happen. Too many progs in the shadow government for such a thing to occur. What I don’t understand is why the Trump administration pays any attention to such dictates. Obozo’s crowd never obeyed any judge’s ruling they didn’t like. All it would take is an order from SecState (or whoever) to enforce the Prez’s order followed up by a few pink slips as necessary to get the message across. The Judiciary had absolutely NO enforcement power. It is the job of the Executive to do that. As we all observed while Dear Leader was (officially) in power, there is nothing a judge can do on his/her own. Let them yell and stomp their feet. Let the progs and their useful idiots demonstrate. That is what we have police riot squads and (if it comes to it) the national guard to handle. Sauce for the goose is always sauce for the gander. The POTUS has explicit authority – delegated to him by congress – to restrict entry by any group for any reason for any length of time. That power in is the US Code and cannot be taken back except by nullifying legislation which would (doubtless) have to be effected by overriding a Presidential Veto. Anybody see THAT happening any time soon?
March 19, 2017 at 11:19 pm
formwiz
Girls who think with their ‘Cuda are always fun.
March 20, 2017 at 1:01 am
Pete231
Not to change the subject : How do you piss off a lib-fem ? Tell her she CAN’T make you a sammich ! Then, sit back and watch the meltdown……
March 20, 2017 at 8:07 am
PaulS
I don’t care who you are, that’s funny right there.
As for frame 1, I was always under the impression it was the job of a judge to apply law, not “interpret” it.
March 20, 2017 at 4:10 am
Polly Cy
Ah, the naked truth, aka Bare a ‘Cuda.
March 20, 2017 at 8:06 am
Deplorable B Woodman
You win teh interwebz for the day.
March 20, 2017 at 6:18 pm
Grunt GI
Heh. I vote for that.
March 20, 2017 at 6:22 am
Bill G
Bare ‘Cudas are wonderful, but meanwhile, down in the South Parcel and headed North…
The Suspense Builds…
March 20, 2017 at 1:32 pm
pool dog
Perhaps the bare cudas are bait.
on my next “hog” huntin trip to the DD, I’ll ask if we can use that to bring in the “hogs”.
March 20, 2017 at 8:09 am
Dread
The courts are trying to write law, meanwhile Chris continues to just draw right. With the former deserving public contempt, the latter deserves our applause. Bravo Chis! Bravo!
March 20, 2017 at 9:39 am
Spin Drift
By the way, did anybody else notice that Sam is flame red where it counts? Also exactly what type of shift knob is in the ‘cuda?*
Spin
Smoke if you got’em.
*Zed SlapStick
March 20, 2017 at 7:41 pm
Pamela
Thank God there aren’t flappy paddles for shifting 😉
March 20, 2017 at 1:15 pm
John Trauger
There’s a difference between being in charge and a fighting retreat.
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Cootahs got a mind of their own. Varoom indeed! 😉
Dragged forward from yesterday in response to Spin…
Yeah, I read about the long-term issues, never had a single hiccup on my ’13 model, but it’s only at about 42K and I’ll swap as usual before 50K. I love vehicles but I don’t fall in love with them, usually trade for less than repairing/refurbing the old one due to still having dealer cred from being a partner in an RV dealership years ago and I don’t have to deal with the bullshit.
Story about the F-150 ecoboost…first week I had it I was still kind of shocked at the power so I took it out to a long flat road and nailed it from a stop; by what I knew was a quarter mile I was over 90 and kept my foot in it. All of a sudden it went flat like I hit a brick wall and I thought oh fook I broke the damn thing already! Turns out it hit 100 and the stupid speed limiter which I didn’t know about kicked in. Never thought I’d drive a full-size truck with a six, but this damn thing is a rocket. And I’ve pulled a flatbed with a medium John Deere/bush hog too, no strain at all. Still, I’ll try something different next, I don’t like the idea of that ten speed either and I’m not too fond of the all-aluminum body thing.
So what’s next? I dunno, I’ve tried most but I won’t buy GM anymore since I’m still pissed about the sellout. I’d like an F-250 diesel but can’t justify 50K+ for what’s mostly for me an around-town ride with just occasional hauling…we’ll see.
A seed limiter?
That means a large explosion and truck be no more.
OR, I build something to put in it.
A Ford and it’s still Govt. Motors. Puke.
Speed dang it. Too much shock at seeing that.
An antidote for that:
http://cat-man-dancing.deviantart.com/art/I-think-you-ve-had-enough-sandwiches-669915153
Please don’t kill me for showing you that.
Talk about your “seed limiters”. Damn dude.
HaH! I looked Before I had breakfast!
Good thing too.
JTC: spent my seed along with my youthful “speed”.
Which results in the old quote: “If I had known I was going to live this long…”
Eye…bleach…PLEASE!!!!
Zar Belk!
She’s had one too many sandwiches already and needs to get off her ass.
Poor dear don’t know how t’ spell “sammich!” I’d just pull out my magic wand and say “abracadabra-poof, you’re a sand-witch!” only nobody’d want to eat any of that! Sorry, here’s the bleach: http://eyebleach.com/
JTC:
I had Envoy Denali that was traded in for the F150. It had the 5.3 with displacement on demand that was burning a qt every thousand. Known flaw in the DOD LH6 motor.
Also had a chuggle problem with the 4L60 locking u and unlocking. Could never get a straight answer from GM engineers on that one. My suspicion is that a correction to the code would require a recert from the EPA. Only needed to change MAP sensor code setting to not go into lock up/lock down at a low vacuum level. Simple but it would change the emissions profile. Can’t have that so I lived with the chuggle for 5 years. Eff’ing EPA, shoot everyone of the bastards.
The Big D should freeze EPA regs to 2005 for light vehicles and Tier 2 on highway trucks. I worked on Tier 3 for CAT, what a convoluted mess that was and Tier 4 is worse. CAT got out of on road engines. Killed a whole lot of US union jobs when they folded that.
Let the free market decide what people will buy. Also this would free up a lot of engineering time to actually useful crap like finding a better heating and cooking source for India. Want to talk about greenhouse gasses (spit) then try doing your everyday living by burning cow flops.
Spin
Free the Engineers!
My wife was driving our 2010 Toyota Tundra when it went into what I discovered is called “Limp Mode” – where the vehicle will not go any faster than 30 mph, not matter how much gas you give it. Turns out there is an EPA mandated code in the computer that forces a hard fault if ANY part of the emissions system stops working properly. “Limp Mode” is extremely dangerous, as you can not move the vehicle fast enough to get out of the way of a wrong-way driver or other potentially fatal encounters on the highway. Plus, we live 80 miles from the nearest Toyota dealer’s repair department, which is the only place it can be fixed.
Turns out the truck has two air injection pumps, along with some valves, that slightly reduce emissions during the 30 seconds of the cold start of a vehicle which hasn’t been run overnight or for a few hours after the last operation of the truck. $4000 to fix (that’s not a typo) _but_ the problem is so common that Toyota extended the warranty on this system to 10 years and 150,000 miles. Thankfully, we were just a little over 100,000 and only had the truck for seven years.
The EPA needs to be shut down completely, or at least stripped of any regulatory power that isn’t mandated by legislation from Congress. Nothing should be regulated solely by the agency, as it is right now. I’d like to flay the skin off of whichever EPA bureaucrats wrote the regulation requiring the hard fault, as it put my wife in danger on the road.
Well, I said I didn’t fall in love with my vehicles but this was an exception:
http://poetnthepawnbroker.blogspot.com/2009/06/rat-rod-on-flea-bay.html
Bought on flea-bay for my 50th back in ’04. Very well put together hot rod with all the right components on that 350 driveline, 4-wheel discs, vintage A/C, and that’s a set of Cragar Tru-Spoke wires I bought new-in-box at my pawn shop that I switched out with the Rallys that were on it. Paid half or less of what it would cost to build not including labor, and while I understand guys that build their own out of love, I just loved to drive it.
So anyway, had fun with it for about five years but it was spending too much time in the garage, so it was time…if you love it let it go they say. Got exactly what I paid back out of it, could have gotten more but this guy drove over from the west coast of FL and loved it as much as me, so I knew it would have a good home. Better to have loved and lost, etc. Sigh.
JTC: I bought an Explorer a couple of years ago with the eco-boost on a V-6. Takes off like a rabbit. Must be built on an F-150 base.
Jim
How does a curious person go about bypassing a speed limiter?
That lot of spoil sports have no fun in their souls ~ Imagine if they put a speed limiter on the TR-X pr SR-72.
More a software than hardware thing I was told. There’s a performance chip that defeats the limiter and some other things I don’t remember. Voids the warranty though doncha know, so I didn’t do it.
It’s irritating to know it’s there and like Spin said it’s another tentacle of gov control. But if I hadn’t been curious to feel a 214 c.i. six haul a 5500 lb truck to 90+ mph that quick I wouldn’t have found out about it…and I’m too damn old to be running triple digits anymore anyway. But yeah, it’s the principle of the thing.
It’ll be gone soon anyway and I don’t know what will replace it. I do know that with all the Mopar talk recently that my next truck won’t be a hemi…next time there’s an automotive thread where we can burn up some more of Chris’s bandwidth on a tangent I can tell you about the ’08 Quad Cab 4X4 Hemi piece of shit I bought back then and why it was such a piece of shit that it didn’t make it to my usual 50K mile trade threshold.
Left hand, right hand…. no hand… it’s all good.
Best of all, he drives and she ‘shifts’…
All depends on when you rotate the compass
High power / fast car. When you want to feel everything move with a multi-cylinder symphony.
With the occasional wheel chirp – kinda like critters screaming for help…
When all of these federal judges find themselves in prison awaiting execution on treason charges, I hope Trump can persuade the networks to cover the injections live.
If the networks can find a news weasel that isn’t awaiting the same fate.
Malfeasance and misfeasance, but not treason.
The judges are guilty of aiding and abetting an enemy (as defined by presidential action in prohibiting immigration or visits from), which is by definition treason. However, since only a fraction (large, small) of refugees are potential terrorists (though a much larger fraction might arguably be guilty of sedition if they promote sharia law over the Constitution), such a charge could probably not be made to stick, and it’s certainly true that it would never survive impeachment proceedings, much less post-impeachment trial and conviction.
If any terrorist attack is shown to have been conducted by a refugee (or other person) who entered the US in a fashion traceable to a specific judicial action, the calculus – both political and legal – changes. Even sympathetic Demorat congresscritters would be hard pressed not to support impeachment, and if impeachment occurs, trial and conviction (particularly if the death penalty were taken off the table, not that they wouldn’t deserve it under the circumstances) seems inevitable. NOT, mind you, that I hope such an event occurs.
Why waste the chemistry? Ropes and trees are reusable.
Zar Belk!
Good use of reusable resources and a Tyrant
Never happen. Too many progs in the shadow government for such a thing to occur. What I don’t understand is why the Trump administration pays any attention to such dictates. Obozo’s crowd never obeyed any judge’s ruling they didn’t like. All it would take is an order from SecState (or whoever) to enforce the Prez’s order followed up by a few pink slips as necessary to get the message across. The Judiciary had absolutely NO enforcement power. It is the job of the Executive to do that. As we all observed while Dear Leader was (officially) in power, there is nothing a judge can do on his/her own. Let them yell and stomp their feet. Let the progs and their useful idiots demonstrate. That is what we have police riot squads and (if it comes to it) the national guard to handle. Sauce for the goose is always sauce for the gander. The POTUS has explicit authority – delegated to him by congress – to restrict entry by any group for any reason for any length of time. That power in is the US Code and cannot be taken back except by nullifying legislation which would (doubtless) have to be effected by overriding a Presidential Veto. Anybody see THAT happening any time soon?
Girls who think with their ‘Cuda are always fun.
Not to change the subject : How do you piss off a lib-fem ? Tell her she CAN’T make you a sammich ! Then, sit back and watch the meltdown……
I don’t care who you are, that’s funny right there.
Ignore her is another way.
Muir, you know how to set up a man’s dreams for the night don’t you?
As for frame 1, I was always under the impression it was the job of a judge to apply law, not “interpret” it.
Ah, the naked truth, aka Bare a ‘Cuda.
You win teh interwebz for the day.
Heh. I vote for that.
Bare ‘Cudas are wonderful, but meanwhile, down in the South Parcel and headed North…
The Suspense Builds…
Perhaps the bare cudas are bait.
on my next “hog” huntin trip to the DD, I’ll ask if we can use that to bring in the “hogs”.
The courts are trying to write law, meanwhile Chris continues to just draw right. With the former deserving public contempt, the latter deserves our applause. Bravo Chis! Bravo!
By the way, did anybody else notice that Sam is flame red where it counts? Also exactly what type of shift knob is in the ‘cuda?*
Spin
Smoke if you got’em.
*Zed SlapStick
Thank God there aren’t flappy paddles for shifting 😉
There’s a difference between being in charge and a fighting retreat.
Nobody ever said this would be easy…