Geez. Makes the 1oz 12ga slugs I tried casting today seem so inadequate.
January 3, 2016 at 10:05 pm
B Woodman
Looks like I’m going to have to get a “new” shotgun. The one that was handed down to me handles only 2 3/4″ shells.
January 4, 2016 at 1:15 am
Iconoclast
Yes, it is, Pamela. There has been some intense R&D into ‘special purpose’ rounds in the 12ga form over the past 50 or so years. For one example, there were flechette loadings tried in Nam which proved absolutely deadly. The problem with them was the enemy combatants remained functionally lethal for roughly another minute until collapsing from blood loss. There was also a so-called “Close Assault Weapon System” (CAWS) researched with a variety of unusual prototype rounds didn’t reach field test status (AFAIK). The military has tried an incredible number of ammunition variants over history to increase wounds per shot fired, means of striking targets indirectly or protected from normal munitions, etc. This particular design has evolved more in the direction of a ‘smart gun’ mortar device, with the weapon’s onboard electronics calculating distances, elevations, flight times, and similar parameters. The design seeks to give our infantry the ability to place projectile fire over or to the side of protective barriers then detonate like a miniature grenade or other payload. The equipment looks much like some of the whimsical weaponry in science fiction imagery … form following function & all that.
January 4, 2016 at 3:27 pm
Pat Umaporn
Yeah, flechettes… they tended to bounce around some. Stick the muzzle of the 106mm recoilless rifle into the opening of the cave, shoot the bee hive round, and kill everything – even the snakes hanging from the ceiling.
Depending on how many received, flechettes would stop you eventually but occasionally it took more time than desired.
One of my Sergeants Major kept a single flechette in a lucite cube on his desk – a souvenir recovered from his ankle after shooting into a bamboo grove during the SE Asia games.
As I recall, they were also used experimentally in a predecessor to the claymore mine. On testing against a bovine target, poor Elsie went shudder then continued to chew her cud. Ball bearings were substituted, hamburger was the result, and the claymore was adopted.
January 4, 2016 at 3:31 am
Pete in NC
Brings “Get off my lawn!” to a whole new level!
January 3, 2016 at 9:28 pm
Spin Drift
Lock and Load boys and girls, it’s gonna be a bumpy ride in 2016!
Spin
War Damn Eagle
Cowboy Up
Molon Labe
January 3, 2016 at 10:06 pm
eon
“Actions taken without orders are not the same thing as actions taken against orders.”
“It is often easier to obtain forgiveness afterward than permission beforehand.”
And of course the first law of the infantry;
“In absence of orders, ASSAULT!”
(Aka “Always honor a threat.”)
Naomi learned her lessons well.
cheers
eon
January 3, 2016 at 10:07 pm
B Woodman
Better to ask forgiveness after then permission before.
January 3, 2016 at 10:11 pm
B Woodman
“Others can hope for change, too.”
Ahhhh, the old Hopey McChangy. I Hopey that this expression goes into the dustbin of history after mid-January 2017, right along with the one who inspired it.
January 4, 2016 at 12:19 pm
Otto Didact
Hope but don’t bet the farm on it.
January 4, 2016 at 4:54 pm
B Woodman
Thinkin’ “False Flag”?
January 3, 2016 at 10:28 pm
WayneM
Canada just elected a “hopey-changey” to our chief executive position. The day after his election win, he and his wife posed for Vogue. I wish I wasn’t serious.
Feel free to insert your favourite Zoolander comparisons.
January 3, 2016 at 10:41 pm
Grunt GI
It is interesting to hear Libs complain about Trump as a “celebrity” candidate.
I am not necessarily a Trump fan, but with Obama pretty much elected as an affirmative action reality show and spending the last year of his Presidency as a guest star on comedy and outdoor reality shows…and this poltroon in Canada being elected like a game show host..it’s hard not to snicker at this particular criticism of Trump.
190 grain 8 mm Mauser versus 230 grain .45 acp – so…yeah…rib-meat indeed.
January 4, 2016 at 2:06 pm
H_B
(The really relevant part is at 8:50.)
January 4, 2016 at 12:46 am
NotYetInACamp
The power is in the feeling.
That’s political feeling. People feel good about Trump. And he makes people laugh, and say ‘Damm. The politicians should have been saying that stuff for decades now.’ Trump has dealt with the people and made them happy for decades. He even can take what they said at the roasts and laugh with them all. Then dish it back harder. Like a Repub debate or a Killer Hillary will phase him in the least.
Maybe an adult who has an actual accomplishment rather than a created resume of achievement like Kim Un Whatever or Mr. Barry Obangles will assist in our nation heartily grabbing its greatness again after shaking off the leftists and Muslims.
That hog felt the power of her feeling safe.
@JTC. I haven’t been traipsing around Highlands Hammock since I was a kid. It still might have been me. 🙂 That is a fabulous park. beautiful. Nature as it was in more of Florida. We used to have a vacation house on Lake June and I saw a number back then when walking on the Southern reaches of the Lake Wales Ridge through quite a bit of sand, or on the undeveloped then far side of the lake. I also saw a number from US 27 as they flash ran across it as you described, and some others in the everglades. I saw tracks in the sand in the undevelopable tracts near me. None directly on my few acres. Others have described their sightings near me. The panther crossing sign on the highway tells me that someone thinks that they are here. There is much wide open territory from their main range to this panther compatible habitat that runs to much North of here. I am between Lake Wales and Yeehaw Junction.
And are those not lovely little rounds?
Those twin magazine pump action shotguns would be a nice match for combat versatility for that type of round. Matched with a .45 it is posited to so quite well.
As I have said, the second amendment recognizes our God given right to self defense.
It also recognizes our right to bear arms.
So too does it recognize the right to arm bears.
Hogs are already armed. You even see hogs from the road here. the fences seem to keep them out of here. But the hogs run right next to the fence sometimes. As did a bobcat that seems to have taken out a local outside cat.
Then America will well and truly have passed from representative republic to designative aristocracy, and civil war will be certain.
The time to prepare is now.
January 4, 2016 at 1:35 am
H_B
He’s going to look neither “acceptable to everyone” nor “eminently electable” (even in the cloistered DC cigar rooms) if he’s facing a primary challenge. He’s already facing a primary challenge.
It would indeed be a “game is rigged, flip the table” moment if it happened, but the article is just a democrat writer idly faffing about.
January 4, 2016 at 3:03 am
Iconoclast
Having Pablo RyNO obtain the nomination in a smoke-filled back room of GOPe manipulators is the same as if this group of spineless quislings were to select Little ¡Jebby! Cakes or another quisling. It’s so mind-boggling to realize these ‘moving & shaking intellects’ are so utterly enraptured with their delusional hubris they simply ignore the polls and commentaries from outside their hidebound ranks. The tragedy here is they are pushing this nation into a civil war, convinced the electorate, “We, the People, of the United States of America,” who created, sustained and defend this nation on which they leech are too ignorant to appreciate their great wisdom. They simply cannot grasp we “… don’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows ….” nor have any remaining desire to defer to bafflegab talking head elitists to make decisions in our own best interests. Reading & comprehending the words of our Founders, especially Jefferson, should be the second threshold requirement for holding any elective office here. The first, of course, would be to be “natural born citizen” … and there are others as well. We have been forced so far from our course …. It is a surety a nominee other than Cruz or Trump will ignite open, and very likely armed / deadly, conflict. A paltry consideration to the dhimmicrap egotists & their fellow-traveling enablers of the GOPe.
January 4, 2016 at 2:55 am
jackdeth72
To quote Gibbs’ Rule #18:
“It’s better to seek forgiveness than ask permission.”
Or. The more flexible military axiom:
“It seemed like a good idea at the time.”
January 4, 2016 at 7:00 am
eon
In the military, the final test of whether or not something is a good idea is that afterward, you’re still alive and uncaptured and the enemy ain’t either one.
I’ve learned some interesting things over the years; that one came from a Marine gunny I knew as a kid.
cheers
eon
January 4, 2016 at 7:30 am
Bill G
Act like the C.O. told you to do it and you can get away with one hell of a lot.
January 4, 2016 at 7:32 am
Bill G
Plausible deniability is built into the phrase ‘They didn’t say don’t do it’.
January 4, 2016 at 7:56 am
Bill G
And BTW, I cannot believe that Zed is truly annoyed about having more weapons tech added to the Ranch.
January 4, 2016 at 2:03 pm
H_B
It depends on how drop-safe the things are.
According to Pamela’s link above, that has yet to be determined…
January 4, 2016 at 8:18 am
FXDWG69
Damn Marines. Always figuring out new ways to blow sh!t up and slaying bodies.
Semper Fi.
January 4, 2016 at 10:30 am
B Woodman
I’d just like to know how many MORE of those .45 HE rounds Naomi has? I won’t even ask where and how she got them.
January 4, 2016 at 1:10 pm
Erik
In fairness, the only reason Obama was able to spy on Congress is that the GOP fought, screamed, and cried to give the President the power to do that. Now they scream and cry when he abuses that power. And of course it still means nothing to them that they do this to millions of innocent Americans. So I’ll just kick back and enjoy the schadenfreude. Not much else I can do.
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Is this the lovely bit of hawg destruction causing mayhem http://www.defensereview.com/1_31_2004/FRAG%2012.pdf
Geez. Makes the 1oz 12ga slugs I tried casting today seem so inadequate.
Looks like I’m going to have to get a “new” shotgun. The one that was handed down to me handles only 2 3/4″ shells.
Yes, it is, Pamela. There has been some intense R&D into ‘special purpose’ rounds in the 12ga form over the past 50 or so years. For one example, there were flechette loadings tried in Nam which proved absolutely deadly. The problem with them was the enemy combatants remained functionally lethal for roughly another minute until collapsing from blood loss. There was also a so-called “Close Assault Weapon System” (CAWS) researched with a variety of unusual prototype rounds didn’t reach field test status (AFAIK). The military has tried an incredible number of ammunition variants over history to increase wounds per shot fired, means of striking targets indirectly or protected from normal munitions, etc. This particular design has evolved more in the direction of a ‘smart gun’ mortar device, with the weapon’s onboard electronics calculating distances, elevations, flight times, and similar parameters. The design seeks to give our infantry the ability to place projectile fire over or to the side of protective barriers then detonate like a miniature grenade or other payload. The equipment looks much like some of the whimsical weaponry in science fiction imagery … form following function & all that.
Yeah, flechettes… they tended to bounce around some. Stick the muzzle of the 106mm recoilless rifle into the opening of the cave, shoot the bee hive round, and kill everything – even the snakes hanging from the ceiling.
Depending on how many received, flechettes would stop you eventually but occasionally it took more time than desired.
One of my Sergeants Major kept a single flechette in a lucite cube on his desk – a souvenir recovered from his ankle after shooting into a bamboo grove during the SE Asia games.
As I recall, they were also used experimentally in a predecessor to the claymore mine. On testing against a bovine target, poor Elsie went shudder then continued to chew her cud. Ball bearings were substituted, hamburger was the result, and the claymore was adopted.
Brings “Get off my lawn!” to a whole new level!
Lock and Load boys and girls, it’s gonna be a bumpy ride in 2016!
Spin
War Damn Eagle
Cowboy Up
Molon Labe
“Actions taken without orders are not the same thing as actions taken against orders.”
“It is often easier to obtain forgiveness afterward than permission beforehand.”
And of course the first law of the infantry;
“In absence of orders, ASSAULT!”
(Aka “Always honor a threat.”)
Naomi learned her lessons well.
cheers
eon
Better to ask forgiveness after then permission before.
“Others can hope for change, too.”
Ahhhh, the old Hopey McChangy. I Hopey that this expression goes into the dustbin of history after mid-January 2017, right along with the one who inspired it.
Hope but don’t bet the farm on it.
Thinkin’ “False Flag”?
Canada just elected a “hopey-changey” to our chief executive position. The day after his election win, he and his wife posed for Vogue. I wish I wasn’t serious.
Feel free to insert your favourite Zoolander comparisons.
It is interesting to hear Libs complain about Trump as a “celebrity” candidate.
I am not necessarily a Trump fan, but with Obama pretty much elected as an affirmative action reality show and spending the last year of his Presidency as a guest star on comedy and outdoor reality shows…and this poltroon in Canada being elected like a game show host..it’s hard not to snicker at this particular criticism of Trump.
I’ll just leave this here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXaaybiRiYY
190 grain 8 mm Mauser versus 230 grain .45 acp – so…yeah…rib-meat indeed.
(The really relevant part is at 8:50.)
The power is in the feeling.
That’s political feeling. People feel good about Trump. And he makes people laugh, and say ‘Damm. The politicians should have been saying that stuff for decades now.’ Trump has dealt with the people and made them happy for decades. He even can take what they said at the roasts and laugh with them all. Then dish it back harder. Like a Repub debate or a Killer Hillary will phase him in the least.
Maybe an adult who has an actual accomplishment rather than a created resume of achievement like Kim Un Whatever or Mr. Barry Obangles will assist in our nation heartily grabbing its greatness again after shaking off the leftists and Muslims.
That hog felt the power of her feeling safe.
@JTC. I haven’t been traipsing around Highlands Hammock since I was a kid. It still might have been me. 🙂 That is a fabulous park. beautiful. Nature as it was in more of Florida. We used to have a vacation house on Lake June and I saw a number back then when walking on the Southern reaches of the Lake Wales Ridge through quite a bit of sand, or on the undeveloped then far side of the lake. I also saw a number from US 27 as they flash ran across it as you described, and some others in the everglades. I saw tracks in the sand in the undevelopable tracts near me. None directly on my few acres. Others have described their sightings near me. The panther crossing sign on the highway tells me that someone thinks that they are here. There is much wide open territory from their main range to this panther compatible habitat that runs to much North of here. I am between Lake Wales and Yeehaw Junction.
And are those not lovely little rounds?
Those twin magazine pump action shotguns would be a nice match for combat versatility for that type of round. Matched with a .45 it is posited to so quite well.
As I have said, the second amendment recognizes our God given right to self defense.
It also recognizes our right to bear arms.
So too does it recognize the right to arm bears.
Hogs are already armed. You even see hogs from the road here. the fences seem to keep them out of here. But the hogs run right next to the fence sometimes. As did a bobcat that seems to have taken out a local outside cat.
If this shit comes to pass:
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/could-brokered-convention-yield-a-ryan-nomination/ar-AAgjvUr?li=BBnb7Kz
Then America will well and truly have passed from representative republic to designative aristocracy, and civil war will be certain.
The time to prepare is now.
He’s going to look neither “acceptable to everyone” nor “eminently electable” (even in the cloistered DC cigar rooms) if he’s facing a primary challenge. He’s already facing a primary challenge.
It would indeed be a “game is rigged, flip the table” moment if it happened, but the article is just a democrat writer idly faffing about.
Having Pablo RyNO obtain the nomination in a smoke-filled back room of GOPe manipulators is the same as if this group of spineless quislings were to select Little ¡Jebby! Cakes or another quisling. It’s so mind-boggling to realize these ‘moving & shaking intellects’ are so utterly enraptured with their delusional hubris they simply ignore the polls and commentaries from outside their hidebound ranks. The tragedy here is they are pushing this nation into a civil war, convinced the electorate, “We, the People, of the United States of America,” who created, sustained and defend this nation on which they leech are too ignorant to appreciate their great wisdom. They simply cannot grasp we “… don’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows ….” nor have any remaining desire to defer to bafflegab talking head elitists to make decisions in our own best interests. Reading & comprehending the words of our Founders, especially Jefferson, should be the second threshold requirement for holding any elective office here. The first, of course, would be to be “natural born citizen” … and there are others as well. We have been forced so far from our course …. It is a surety a nominee other than Cruz or Trump will ignite open, and very likely armed / deadly, conflict. A paltry consideration to the dhimmicrap egotists & their fellow-traveling enablers of the GOPe.
To quote Gibbs’ Rule #18:
“It’s better to seek forgiveness than ask permission.”
Or. The more flexible military axiom:
“It seemed like a good idea at the time.”
In the military, the final test of whether or not something is a good idea is that afterward, you’re still alive and uncaptured and the enemy ain’t either one.
I’ve learned some interesting things over the years; that one came from a Marine gunny I knew as a kid.
cheers
eon
Act like the C.O. told you to do it and you can get away with one hell of a lot.
Plausible deniability is built into the phrase ‘They didn’t say don’t do it’.
And BTW, I cannot believe that Zed is truly annoyed about having more weapons tech added to the Ranch.
It depends on how drop-safe the things are.
According to Pamela’s link above, that has yet to be determined…
Damn Marines. Always figuring out new ways to blow sh!t up and slaying bodies.
Semper Fi.
I’d just like to know how many MORE of those .45 HE rounds Naomi has? I won’t even ask where and how she got them.
In fairness, the only reason Obama was able to spy on Congress is that the GOP fought, screamed, and cried to give the President the power to do that. Now they scream and cry when he abuses that power. And of course it still means nothing to them that they do this to millions of innocent Americans. So I’ll just kick back and enjoy the schadenfreude. Not much else I can do.