Bob in Houston-Vast Right Wing Basket of Deplorable!
So no flintlocks then? Maybe the Northern Elites are oppressing us by making us use old school flintlocks while they take our new fangled percussion cap technology for themselves? no matter, count me in. Might as well throw a “subscribe” button over there too, Kinda liked the original red part of REDvolution too but but I’m just a fan whos been into the Barenjager.
October 15, 2017 at 12:34 am
GruntGI
Well, Mr. Muir, if you’re asking for the opinion of your loyal fans…I vote for twice a week.
🙂
October 15, 2017 at 10:31 pm
Texas is state of mind
Sea for two, two for sea 🙂
October 15, 2017 at 12:39 am
JackDeth 72
Red Meat from a Red Head?
Count me in.
I’m okay with testing these newfangled waters as a lab rat twice a week.
October 15, 2017 at 12:53 am
Interventor
Pistol, single shot, or revolver?
If, the red states could keep that tech, it would be a big advantage.
Think raiders with six 6 shooters, plus plenty of loaded wheels.
“If civilization had been left in female hands we would still be living in grass huts.” – Camille Paglia. Well, she got this one right, even if she still inexplicably votes for the grass hutters.
October 15, 2017 at 5:31 am
Neil Frandsen
Snicker!
Suppressing Gun Technology in North America, for 200 _years_ is an impossible dream, imho.
North Americans, as shown by examples such as John Deere, and John Moses Browning, have the skills needed to design, and build machines excellent to do a job, be it plowing the native grass prairie, or shooting reliably. The many water-pumping windmill designs, from North America, are another example of the drive-to-design, that shows up so often (solar power on a Ostrich Farm, anyone?).
: https://www.m1911.org/full_history.htm
:
Quote:
Browning was determined to prove the superiority of his handgun, so he went to Hartford to personally supervise the production of the gun. There he met Fred Moore, a young Colt employee with whom he worked in close cooperation trying to make sure that each part that was produced for the test guns was simply the best possible. The guns produced were submitted again for evaluation, to the committee. A torture test was conducted, on March 3rd, 1911. The test consisted of having each gun fire 6000 rounds. One hundred shots would be fired and the pistol would be allowed to cool for 5 minutes. After every 1000 rounds, the pistol would be cleaned and oiled. After firing those 6000 rounds, the pistol would be tested with deformed cartridges, some seated too deeply, some not seated enough, etc. The gun would then be rusted in acid or submerged in sand and mud and some more tests would then be conducted.
Browning’s pistols passed the whole test series with flying colors. It was the first firearm to undergo such a test, firing continuously 6000 cartridges, a record broken only in 1917 when Browning’s recoil-operated machine gun fired a 40000 rounds test.
The report of the evaluation committee (taken from ‘The .45 Automatic, An American Rifleman Reprint’, published by the National Rifle Association of America) released on the 20th of March 1911 stated :
“Of the two pistols, the board was of the opinion
that the Colt is superior, because it is more
reliable, more enduring, more easily disassembled
when there are broken parts to be replaced, and
more accurate.”
Unquote.
:
:
Good and accurate history, especially as pertains to JMB (pbuh).
Consider though, how this actual history would contrast with the speculative matriarchal one that Red imagines…Deere or Browning, no Johns allowed, except perhaps as “johns”.
I am well aware of Browning’s genius and efforts, but not some of the details of his torture testing…interesting to note how many of those tactics were duplicated by another inventor/innovator, this time a German fellow named Gaston Glock. Much of that same series of “tests” was used as part of a brilliant marketing campaign to essentially corner the LE handgun market, and ultimately the civilian one. The American PATRIARCHY that encouraged and engendered domestic design and innovation, most especially of the means of defense, also inspired/enabled/allowed/built a foreign one- and would never have happened under the alternate history pondered here.
October 15, 2017 at 1:20 pm
NotYetInACamp
Just let tech develop a bit into the mid 1800’s and Mr. Gatling has his gun. Which was then retired and most military Gatling Guns melted into scrap.
Today it is again in the forefront of military weaponry as the designed around guts of the infantry loved A-10 Warthog, the mini-gun, on the Specter Gunship, and on various other jets and vessels and applications.
Low tech obsolete idea. Indeed!
Sam has interestingly steaked a rare closure.
October 15, 2017 at 9:49 pm
formwiz
The Gat was better in concept than practice.
It tended to jam easily, due to an inadequate cooling system.
October 15, 2017 at 7:06 am
eon
Keep in mind that while gunpowder, the gun itself, and most other types of ordnance (rockets, mines, bombs, etc.) were invented in China , the culture never changed substantially. An entrenched bureaucracy borne of the country’s need for irrigation (see “hydraulic state”) resulted in a rigidly stratified society in which technological innovation was entirely in the service of the State. The alternative was being beheaded by your “betters”.
The Chinese equivalent of John Moses Browning was an unnamed innovator who in the 8th Century AD invented a better “fire arrow”. He presented it to the Emperor and was rewarded with a gift of silk. If he had not done so- yes, he would have been beheaded.
This is how you end up with a society in which the ruler is by law worshiped as a living god, and you get a bestselling book titled “Dreaming of the Capital While the Rice is Cooking”.
It’s also how you end up with the country being conquered nearly a millennium later (1800s) by the likes of England and France, who have gunpowder, percussion caps, and steam power, while your army is still mostly armed with crossbows. (See “Opium Wars”.)
The Chinese had cannon, true, but they were still relatively primitive compared to the Western versions, that were by that time about as advanced as muzzle-loading smoothbores
and early rifled MLs could get (Armstrong type, etc.) Cannon were “allowed” because they were the Emperor’s property; the infantry were using crossbows vs. Enfield and Charleville rifle-muskets because individual handguns were perceived as a threat to Imperial power, so, no individual handguns, nor troops trained in their use.
A sufficiently ruthless, bordering on psychotic, regime’ can prevent the development of almost anything that it perceives as a potential threat to its power. All it needs is the willingness to kill anybody that has two or more working brain cells that it can’t bend to its yoke.
Of course, if there’s another regime’ around that is willing to adopt technological advancement to its own expansionist ends, the repressive, “primitivising” regime’ is apt to get royally ass-fucked.
clear ether
eon
October 15, 2017 at 7:41 am
MasterDiver
Typical water-monopoly empire Ruthless, omnipotent, totally corrupt, but the ruling class has absolute power an can totally destroy any internal threat. But they are powerless against an external threat, and even a relatively small external force can cause their collapse.
Zar Belk!
October 15, 2017 at 2:28 pm
JackDeth 72
Sounds a little to close to David Drake’s ‘The Sharp End’. Sam and Jan should go off world and send a message to Colonel Alois Hammer and the Bonding Authority.
A squad sized Survey Team seeking redemption sizing up the odds. And a couple of divisions of Panzers, Combat Cars and Infantry could oust the water-monoply’s strangle hold in less than a year.
October 15, 2017 at 6:09 pm
Old Codger
Eon, the reason that Europe developed fire arms and China (where black powder was invented) didn’t is because – for good or ill – Europeans are the meanest SOBs on the planet bar none. We make war with a single-minded ferocity which is unmatched anywhere else. We talk endlessly and pursue peace with all our will but if you anger us sufficiently we will climb up your bayonet for the chance to rip your throat out.
Please note that I am not bragging. I am merely speaking the truth as I understand it. Other races underestimate us because we talk so much of peace. They do so at their peril. I am reminded of one of Clancy’s Jack Ryan books, “Executive Orders” where a new President and political novice, Jack Ryan, warns the heads of several states in the area in and around the Arabian peninsula that if they interfere with something the U.S. is doing in that area the U.S. will make war with all the ferocity with which it is capable.
October 15, 2017 at 9:25 pm
Kafiroon
And we are Very good at it.
(When allowed to be by our rulers.)
October 15, 2017 at 11:46 pm
eon
It also must be noted that for all their inventiveness, the Chinese were conquered with the sort of regularity that made the French the laughingstocks of Europe.
Even before the Europeans arrived, the Jurchens, the Mongols, the Ummayids, and even the Parthians all took their turns beating the crap out of the Chinese and taking what they wanted.
The Mongols oddly enough met their match in the Japanese, who threw them out of Korea twice and destroyed their two attempts to invade Japan, each time assisted by typhoons in the Sea of Japan. The Japanese called them Kami Kaze, the “Divine Wind”.
I call it, the Mongols needed better scheduling. As in, “Don’t try to cross the Sea of Japan at the height of the storm season, you idiots”.
Not sure if her reign would have qualified as matriarchal due to the giant balls thing, just thanking God there is not and never will be one.
October 15, 2017 at 1:05 pm
Halley
To my knowledge, she has in fact never officially self-identified with any of the 27 (or is it up to 57?) genders, so who knows?
October 15, 2017 at 1:14 pm
NotYetInACamp
She does have preferences for a Huma(n).
October 15, 2017 at 3:57 pm
Pamela
Stake? Are we going Vampyre/Liberal/Progressive/Asshole hunting?
October 15, 2017 at 4:57 pm
NotYetInACamp
Yes.
Steve Bannon is already in the field and in the game. As are many others. The game is afoot. 🙂
October 15, 2017 at 7:36 pm
Pamela
Hmm, Hickory, Hazelwood, or Ironwood. Think they will burst into flame or just go straight into ashes…
October 15, 2017 at 9:52 pm
Delilah T.
Hickory has the steadiest flame.
October 15, 2017 at 11:37 pm
eon
She meant the vampire bursting into flame.
In fact, it generally takes a cross being applied to the miscreant to accomplish that. Still, hawthorn is the best wood; it’s essentially poisonous to the Sanguinus.
Based on your prior remark, I read that as “straight into asses…”
Which come to think of it hickory stakes there would probably work pretty well to quell the vamps.
October 15, 2017 at 10:01 pm
Delilah T.
Hmmm… despite the grinding efforts of the so-called feminists (they aren’t really-more like feminazis), they can’t escape biology and the primary drive of all species. And what is that, sayest thou? Glad you asked.
Basic Biology 101: there are three specific biological drives in all species, even the giant acid-dripping Alien Bugs from those movies.
Primary: Reproduction. Yes, sex is the primary drive in all things, plant and animal. Reproduction means the survival of the species. Just be careful where you lay your eggs. Ask the Rocky Mountain cricket what it feels like to become extinct.
Secondary: Hunger. If the primary drive is satisfied, then hunger comes next. If you’re had a chance to engage in reproductive activities then you can have a nice meal, like a steak with a good wine. If hunger is satisfied, thirst comes next.
Terirary: Thirst – if thirst is satisfied, then move on.
Ask the Romans. How about a gladiatorial episode and then dinner afterwards? It stirred the hormone levels enormously.
Ciao!
October 15, 2017 at 11:15 pm
Pamela
Yep. Sex first. Food and Drink second. Sex again. Sleep.
October 15, 2017 at 11:19 pm
eon
Actually, thirst comes ahead of hunger. You can live considerably longer without food than you can without water.
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No special sauce needed.
Sammy?
NEVER speak of this again
Just sayin’
“Airships.”
So no flintlocks then? Maybe the Northern Elites are oppressing us by making us use old school flintlocks while they take our new fangled percussion cap technology for themselves? no matter, count me in. Might as well throw a “subscribe” button over there too, Kinda liked the original red part of REDvolution too but but I’m just a fan whos been into the Barenjager.
Well, Mr. Muir, if you’re asking for the opinion of your loyal fans…I vote for twice a week.
🙂
Sea for two, two for sea 🙂
Red Meat from a Red Head?
Count me in.
I’m okay with testing these newfangled waters as a lab rat twice a week.
Pistol, single shot, or revolver?
If, the red states could keep that tech, it would be a big advantage.
Think raiders with six 6 shooters, plus plenty of loaded wheels.
Ala Clint Eastwood in ‘The Outlaw Josie Wales’.
“That tech would be suppressed…no development for 200 years”
The former begets the latter, hence no matriarchy could survive.
Airships are cool and all, but balls and bullets is what it takes.
Yep, twice at least.
“If civilization had been left in female hands we would still be living in grass huts.” – Camille Paglia. Well, she got this one right, even if she still inexplicably votes for the grass hutters.
Snicker!
Suppressing Gun Technology in North America, for 200 _years_ is an impossible dream, imho.
North Americans, as shown by examples such as John Deere, and John Moses Browning, have the skills needed to design, and build machines excellent to do a job, be it plowing the native grass prairie, or shooting reliably. The many water-pumping windmill designs, from North America, are another example of the drive-to-design, that shows up so often (solar power on a Ostrich Farm, anyone?).
:
https://www.m1911.org/full_history.htm
:
Quote:
Browning was determined to prove the superiority of his handgun, so he went to Hartford to personally supervise the production of the gun. There he met Fred Moore, a young Colt employee with whom he worked in close cooperation trying to make sure that each part that was produced for the test guns was simply the best possible. The guns produced were submitted again for evaluation, to the committee. A torture test was conducted, on March 3rd, 1911. The test consisted of having each gun fire 6000 rounds. One hundred shots would be fired and the pistol would be allowed to cool for 5 minutes. After every 1000 rounds, the pistol would be cleaned and oiled. After firing those 6000 rounds, the pistol would be tested with deformed cartridges, some seated too deeply, some not seated enough, etc. The gun would then be rusted in acid or submerged in sand and mud and some more tests would then be conducted.
Browning’s pistols passed the whole test series with flying colors. It was the first firearm to undergo such a test, firing continuously 6000 cartridges, a record broken only in 1917 when Browning’s recoil-operated machine gun fired a 40000 rounds test.
The report of the evaluation committee (taken from ‘The .45 Automatic, An American Rifleman Reprint’, published by the National Rifle Association of America) released on the 20th of March 1911 stated :
“Of the two pistols, the board was of the opinion
that the Colt is superior, because it is more
reliable, more enduring, more easily disassembled
when there are broken parts to be replaced, and
more accurate.”
Unquote.
:
:
Neil F,
Good and accurate history, especially as pertains to JMB (pbuh).
Consider though, how this actual history would contrast with the speculative matriarchal one that Red imagines…Deere or Browning, no Johns allowed, except perhaps as “johns”.
I am well aware of Browning’s genius and efforts, but not some of the details of his torture testing…interesting to note how many of those tactics were duplicated by another inventor/innovator, this time a German fellow named Gaston Glock. Much of that same series of “tests” was used as part of a brilliant marketing campaign to essentially corner the LE handgun market, and ultimately the civilian one. The American PATRIARCHY that encouraged and engendered domestic design and innovation, most especially of the means of defense, also inspired/enabled/allowed/built a foreign one- and would never have happened under the alternate history pondered here.
Just let tech develop a bit into the mid 1800’s and Mr. Gatling has his gun. Which was then retired and most military Gatling Guns melted into scrap.
Today it is again in the forefront of military weaponry as the designed around guts of the infantry loved A-10 Warthog, the mini-gun, on the Specter Gunship, and on various other jets and vessels and applications.
Low tech obsolete idea. Indeed!
Sam has interestingly steaked a rare closure.
The Gat was better in concept than practice.
It tended to jam easily, due to an inadequate cooling system.
Keep in mind that while gunpowder, the gun itself, and most other types of ordnance (rockets, mines, bombs, etc.) were invented in China , the culture never changed substantially. An entrenched bureaucracy borne of the country’s need for irrigation (see “hydraulic state”) resulted in a rigidly stratified society in which technological innovation was entirely in the service of the State. The alternative was being beheaded by your “betters”.
The Chinese equivalent of John Moses Browning was an unnamed innovator who in the 8th Century AD invented a better “fire arrow”. He presented it to the Emperor and was rewarded with a gift of silk. If he had not done so- yes, he would have been beheaded.
This is how you end up with a society in which the ruler is by law worshiped as a living god, and you get a bestselling book titled “Dreaming of the Capital While the Rice is Cooking”.
It’s also how you end up with the country being conquered nearly a millennium later (1800s) by the likes of England and France, who have gunpowder, percussion caps, and steam power, while your army is still mostly armed with crossbows. (See “Opium Wars”.)
The Chinese had cannon, true, but they were still relatively primitive compared to the Western versions, that were by that time about as advanced as muzzle-loading smoothbores
and early rifled MLs could get (Armstrong type, etc.) Cannon were “allowed” because they were the Emperor’s property; the infantry were using crossbows vs. Enfield and Charleville rifle-muskets because individual handguns were perceived as a threat to Imperial power, so, no individual handguns, nor troops trained in their use.
A sufficiently ruthless, bordering on psychotic, regime’ can prevent the development of almost anything that it perceives as a potential threat to its power. All it needs is the willingness to kill anybody that has two or more working brain cells that it can’t bend to its yoke.
Of course, if there’s another regime’ around that is willing to adopt technological advancement to its own expansionist ends, the repressive, “primitivising” regime’ is apt to get royally ass-fucked.
clear ether
eon
Typical water-monopoly empire Ruthless, omnipotent, totally corrupt, but the ruling class has absolute power an can totally destroy any internal threat. But they are powerless against an external threat, and even a relatively small external force can cause their collapse.
Zar Belk!
Sounds a little to close to David Drake’s ‘The Sharp End’. Sam and Jan should go off world and send a message to Colonel Alois Hammer and the Bonding Authority.
A squad sized Survey Team seeking redemption sizing up the odds. And a couple of divisions of Panzers, Combat Cars and Infantry could oust the water-monoply’s strangle hold in less than a year.
Eon, the reason that Europe developed fire arms and China (where black powder was invented) didn’t is because – for good or ill – Europeans are the meanest SOBs on the planet bar none. We make war with a single-minded ferocity which is unmatched anywhere else. We talk endlessly and pursue peace with all our will but if you anger us sufficiently we will climb up your bayonet for the chance to rip your throat out.
Please note that I am not bragging. I am merely speaking the truth as I understand it. Other races underestimate us because we talk so much of peace. They do so at their peril. I am reminded of one of Clancy’s Jack Ryan books, “Executive Orders” where a new President and political novice, Jack Ryan, warns the heads of several states in the area in and around the Arabian peninsula that if they interfere with something the U.S. is doing in that area the U.S. will make war with all the ferocity with which it is capable.
And we are Very good at it.
(When allowed to be by our rulers.)
It also must be noted that for all their inventiveness, the Chinese were conquered with the sort of regularity that made the French the laughingstocks of Europe.
Even before the Europeans arrived, the Jurchens, the Mongols, the Ummayids, and even the Parthians all took their turns beating the crap out of the Chinese and taking what they wanted.
The Mongols oddly enough met their match in the Japanese, who threw them out of Korea twice and destroyed their two attempts to invade Japan, each time assisted by typhoons in the Sea of Japan. The Japanese called them Kami Kaze, the “Divine Wind”.
I call it, the Mongols needed better scheduling. As in, “Don’t try to cross the Sea of Japan at the height of the storm season, you idiots”.
clear ether
eon
Victor Davis Hanson provide an excellent exposition of the historical development of this phenomenon in his book “The Western Way of War” – https://www.amazon.com/Western-Way-War-Infantry-Classical/dp/0520260090
You had my interest – now you have my attention.
This sounds like a genuinely interesting read – are we going to get to read it?
A redhead with a rare steak……all you need is a beer and I’m in heaven.
Add wearing just an apron with the beer.
and the apron isn’t needed – once the cooking is done! 🙂
Different tongs third panel. I usually use those for salad.
This bitch either has no concept of irony or some giant balls or both:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/clinton-we-made-a-person-who-committed-sexual-assault-president/ar-AAtqWYC?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=spartanntp
Not sure if her reign would have qualified as matriarchal due to the giant balls thing, just thanking God there is not and never will be one.
To my knowledge, she has in fact never officially self-identified with any of the 27 (or is it up to 57?) genders, so who knows?
She does have preferences for a Huma(n).
Stake? Are we going Vampyre/Liberal/Progressive/Asshole hunting?
Yes.
Steve Bannon is already in the field and in the game. As are many others. The game is afoot. 🙂
Hmm, Hickory, Hazelwood, or Ironwood. Think they will burst into flame or just go straight into ashes…
Hickory has the steadiest flame.
She meant the vampire bursting into flame.
In fact, it generally takes a cross being applied to the miscreant to accomplish that. Still, hawthorn is the best wood; it’s essentially poisonous to the Sanguinus.
No, you do not want to know how I know that.
clear ether
eon
Based on your prior remark, I read that as “straight into asses…”
Which come to think of it hickory stakes there would probably work pretty well to quell the vamps.
Hmmm… despite the grinding efforts of the so-called feminists (they aren’t really-more like feminazis), they can’t escape biology and the primary drive of all species. And what is that, sayest thou? Glad you asked.
Basic Biology 101: there are three specific biological drives in all species, even the giant acid-dripping Alien Bugs from those movies.
Primary: Reproduction. Yes, sex is the primary drive in all things, plant and animal. Reproduction means the survival of the species. Just be careful where you lay your eggs. Ask the Rocky Mountain cricket what it feels like to become extinct.
Secondary: Hunger. If the primary drive is satisfied, then hunger comes next. If you’re had a chance to engage in reproductive activities then you can have a nice meal, like a steak with a good wine. If hunger is satisfied, thirst comes next.
Terirary: Thirst – if thirst is satisfied, then move on.
Ask the Romans. How about a gladiatorial episode and then dinner afterwards? It stirred the hormone levels enormously.
Ciao!
Yep. Sex first. Food and Drink second. Sex again. Sleep.
Actually, thirst comes ahead of hunger. You can live considerably longer without food than you can without water.
cheers
eon
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