I’d like for the Big D to specifically ask for the head stamp markings on all the recovered brass from Parkland. That will put a rest to the whether we have a false flag or not.
He wants to be Sheriff then deal in the truth and operate in the light. Protecting the people sometimes requires that the People have the means and the where-with-all to do the job themselves.
Call for a Warren Commission level investigation on just what happened. That would scare the bejebus out of the nefarious actors. Step one is the perp Arkancides in custody and evidence is misplaced/lost till the next headline grabbing crisis. Repeat till the cows come home.
More info going against the narrative, Miami Herald reports that malfs with his cheapie AR saved some lives and ultimately jammed causing him to bail before his mission was completed. Other reports of him using Cali style mags since regular capacity ones didn’t fit in his bag.
Don’t know what casings will prove, Spin. All kinda ammo gets sold, all over.
But it must be made clear, this ain’t Noo Yawk. Mental health, maybe. Harden schools, armed people, definitely. But HELL, NO to rasing ages, or banning “rate accelerators”. You want bump stocks, NAME THEM. AND STOP RIGHT THERE.
If he was using factory ammo, or if reloads, they were sorted so that he got all the same head stamps, compare to empty boxes or remaining cartridges that he has at home in that caliber.
The casing heads will have imprints from the firing pin and the bolt face. These are unique to the weapon. If there were two (or more) shooters then there will be multiple case head imprints. Hard evidence and facts are more difficult to lie about. I wonder who has all the casings? Coral Springs cops, Florida crime lab, the effing b eye, Secret Squirrel Service?
But I expect that evidence that doesn’t meet the narrative has already been expunged. There were 17 people murdered, their memories should have true justice done. Most of them were kids sacrificed for an agenda of nefarious purposes.
The NRA has helped write every major piece of gun control that has been passed, from NFA in ’34, GCA in ’68, to the Lautenberg Amendment and beyond. Doubt me? Look at the August ’68 American Rifleman and read where the NRA _bragged_ about it, saying it proved their willingness to be “reasonable” and to “compromise”. They have been compromising our rights away since the beginning.
March 2, 2018 at 2:39 am
Pete231
Sometimes DJT can be a day-to-day(!) type of guy. Let’s not be in too big a hurry to judge his actions and words. After all, look what he did to certain duhbama crats a few weeks ago on immigration (nailing them on live tv) at the WH. Being the Pres. is an ongoing learning experience that he keeps adapting to. Trump is still three steps ahead of the rabble and when your enemy is busy shooting themselves in the foot, don’t readjust their aim. So, everyone needs to lighten up and give Trump some space and windage. I, for one, would still not want to play showdown poker with him………
Trump’s comment when he allegedly said on Wednesday to “take the guns first, go through due process second” at a White House meeting with a bipartisan group of lawmakers on gun laws, is the act of a man who doesn’t honor his oath of office. Not only would it indicate he isn’t savvy enough to realize another law or twelve won’t stop shootings, it also would show he is willing to ignore the Constitution just to be seen “doing something”.
The look of glee on Dianne Feinstein’s face when he told her to submit her gun ban legislation to be added to the “school safety” bill made me gag.
She reminds me of the Satan meme that is out there in the ether:
I’m not saying I did $#%&@! up things last night, but Satan woke up on my couch and won’t look me in the eye.
Some things leave a rather rank taste after.
March 2, 2018 at 1:10 pm
Desert Lion
For what it’s worth, Trump has been a long game player since well before the run for the White House. Part of his negotiation strategy has often been to throw something out there, make everyone focus on that, then throw a third strike. I’d put that “due process second” deep in that category. Although he’s not big into guns and outdoor sports other than ruining a nice walk by chasing a little ball, he is big into his family. The men would disown him. He’s also big into keeping campaign promises, some which many of us disagree with, but you have to admire his willingness to stand by them. Supporting the Second Amendment was a huge one.
I completely disagree with virtually all the gun proposals made so far – there is no such thing as a universal background check because criminals will never submit to them; adding age restrictions in 1968 didn’t do anything to stop violence, so making them higher won’t either; the bump stock is simply a way people have devised to overcome the unconstitutional ban on possession of newly manufactured automatic firearms, those expressly like the ones used by our military, the category of arms intended to be protected from government infringement. On the other hand, the whole thing about making some sort of Federal change to allow staff and faculty to be armed isn’t necessary. The Gun Free School Zones Act already allows for anyone licensed/permitted by the state in which the school is located can already carry on school campus if their license/permit process included a background check. If you can’t carry on school campus in your locale, it’s either a state or local restriction, not Federal (people able to carry without a license or permit obviously excepted, so that portion could stand a change to relax the restrictions to anyone legally allowed to carry can do so on school campus, period). For what it’s worth, I oppose background checks as a prerequisite to purchasing a firearm and the entire FFL structure, but the system ought to work as intended if there’s going to be one. FixNICS simply makes it more likely that all reporting organizations will indeed supply the required data so the system has the data to do what it’s designed to do. Of course, the whole national reciprocity thing is going to be a tough fight because of the likes of Feinstein, Pelosi, Schumer, and several others, but they may want the FixNICS bad enough to take that if supporters on both sides of the aisle actually find enough backbone to stand up.
In short, I’m far less concerned about what gets said or tweeted than I am about what actually happens. So far, what has actually happened has been a pretty decent slap down to opponents of Liberty, regardless of the words that preceded those actions.
“The Gun Free School Zones Act already allows for anyone licensed/permitted by the state in which the school is located can already carry on school campus if their license/permit process included a background check.”
Yeah, but it doesn’t allow you to USE it, even in an obvious emergency. Check out what the law has to say about “discharge.” That’s not an accident, that’s enemy action.
March 2, 2018 at 7:35 am
Special_Ed
Maybe I’ve been watching too many old movies, but I see conservative Gary Cooper [High Noon] facing down liberal Robert Redford in the panels.
I thought the last panel represented Trump and his more recent anti-2A rhetoric about grabbing the guns first, due process later, bump-stocks, etc. And the fact that his ‘gat’ is loaned, i.e. four-term terms.
Speaking of ‘bump-stocks’… what’s the latest on the Vegas shooter. It off the map already?
That sickening “Take the guns first and due process later” comment was consistent with Trump’s past approach. He appointed Jeff Sessions, an outspoken advocate of civil forfeiture, as Attorney General. To Hell with people’s rights under the 5th Amendment — or, it appears, under the 2nd.
He’s not as bad as Obama or the Pig in a Pantsuit, but that’s not saying very much.
His latest move to impose high tariffs on imported metals smells like Smoot-Hawley. Fasten your seat belts, folks.
My comment last night at a gunnie blog where they were raking DT over the coals as to “republican” and or “conservative” after his comments at that meeting:
JTC says:
“Pragmatic. Artist of misdirection and the deal. Even the word-vomit from that meeting fits that; it was live on teevee for a reason… whatever it may be.
One hell of a lot has been quietly accomplished by the DT admin in the midst of the chaos to this point. So I’ll give him a pass…for now.
Muir’s DaybyDay depicts him tonight as a sheriff with an empty holster, and a citizen reminding him his gat -and his badge- are on loan, and that we call the shots. I think he knows that; it is well that we remember it too.”
Try telling that to people who have been in any office or position for a while.
Let his core wisdom return. He won because he thinks like America and not like Sodom of the Potomac.
I hope that he is just looking at various positions in a problem solving manner, and getting the others to react.
Also, Trump said he did need other people in Washington in order to get things done. He can get only so far with the people now in Washington.
maybe some good people will get up and challenge some of the RINOS and democrats in key elections, and in elections where their long shot might just pull an upset using the truth.
We gave Trump the gun.
We need more people to step into difficult places and run and win.
I may be about to make myself unpopular here, and maybe I’ve got too much faith in the God Emperor, but all I saw or heard in that meeting was POTUS trolling the hell out of the Dems.
I think he’s luring them into putting their entire wad onto the table in order to so completely poison the thing that it would never get passed without the whole country showing up in DC with ropes and carpentry tools. It would handily explain why he shot down adding the reciprocity act — an act he campaigned on. Maybe he didn’t want that bill poisoned by the stew he knew the left would be cooking up.
I think we’re going to start hearing here real soon about how the 21 year age restriction is unconstitutional age discrimination and that it just won’t fly. I expect class action suits to be filed by multitudes of 18-20 year olds who’re refused service by the Walmarts and Dicks due to their age, despite being legally considered adults. That happens, expect the handgun age limit to come back down to 18 as well.
As for the “take them and then go through due process” statement, after my first gasp of disbelief, I slowed down and thought about what that statement meant without adding flavor text or embellishments. “If you think somebody’s a danger,” Okay, there’s context. “courts take too much time.” Too much time to do what, exactly? Issue an arrest order? Go through committal proceedings? Declare a person incompetent? He really didn’t say. Just that you might have an armed person who’s thought to be dangerous running around loose during the time when you were going through whatever you were going through to solve the problem.
Then I went through whether there was any precedent for such nonsense. The first thing I thought of was how the cops can roll a suspect up for a given period of time (72 hours?) before charging them. IF they don’t charge within that time frame, they have to cut the suspect loose.
What if that’s what he meant? What if he was thinking, If somebody might be dangerous, take the guns away right away and then prove they need to be taken away or give them back. If due process isn’t managed in, say, that same time frame as holding a person without charging them with a crime, give them back. It certainly seems logical in the context of what was being discussed, if you can temporarily postpone setting your hair on fire and charging wildly about the room shrieking.
Maybe he was thinking that and everybody and their aunt Mabel just grabbed it in their teeth and headed off for the horizon, squawking and making up stories on the fly to justify the interpretations feeding it through their filters created.
Hell, maybe he’s throwing another bone to the Republicans, letting them clean it up and show some spine going into the mid-terms.
I’ve got no idea if that’s what went on, I’m just trying to apply logic to an event that seems to defy it.
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Badges are on loan. You are the sheriff but we call the shots.
Sheriff looks like a young Slick Willie. Comment sounds like he is a Brit.
I was thinking more like The Grinning Grim Reaper, Florida Democrat Senator Bill Nelson after CNN’s Parkland Gun Control Kabuki Theater and Telethon.
It’s Trump.
English Bob?
The “Duck of Death”
I’d like for the Big D to specifically ask for the head stamp markings on all the recovered brass from Parkland. That will put a rest to the whether we have a false flag or not.
He wants to be Sheriff then deal in the truth and operate in the light. Protecting the people sometimes requires that the People have the means and the where-with-all to do the job themselves.
Call for a Warren Commission level investigation on just what happened. That would scare the bejebus out of the nefarious actors. Step one is the perp Arkancides in custody and evidence is misplaced/lost till the next headline grabbing crisis. Repeat till the cows come home.
Spin
Hang’em, hang’em all and hang’em high.
Wouldn’t checking the firing pin markings also be indicative of how many actual weapons were involved in this? Just curious.
More info going against the narrative, Miami Herald reports that malfs with his cheapie AR saved some lives and ultimately jammed causing him to bail before his mission was completed. Other reports of him using Cali style mags since regular capacity ones didn’t fit in his bag.
Don’t know what casings will prove, Spin. All kinda ammo gets sold, all over.
But it must be made clear, this ain’t Noo Yawk. Mental health, maybe. Harden schools, armed people, definitely. But HELL, NO to rasing ages, or banning “rate accelerators”. You want bump stocks, NAME THEM. AND STOP RIGHT THERE.
If he was using factory ammo, or if reloads, they were sorted so that he got all the same head stamps, compare to empty boxes or remaining cartridges that he has at home in that caliber.
The casing heads will have imprints from the firing pin and the bolt face. These are unique to the weapon. If there were two (or more) shooters then there will be multiple case head imprints. Hard evidence and facts are more difficult to lie about. I wonder who has all the casings? Coral Springs cops, Florida crime lab, the effing b eye, Secret Squirrel Service?
But I expect that evidence that doesn’t meet the narrative has already been expunged. There were 17 people murdered, their memories should have true justice done. Most of them were kids sacrificed for an agenda of nefarious purposes.
Good men must stand.
AND WHERE THE HELL IS THE NRA?
Wayne has made a few statements.
Dana has been on several unfriendly shows.
As to what Trump has been reportedly saying, I have a theory that I hesitated to mention in the open. I might jinx it if it is what I suspect.
If you’re thinking what I’m thinking there, yeah. Let it play people, let it play.
I’m thinking the same thing and praying I’m right.
John, are you just not paying attention?
Oh, don’t worry, the NRA is right there, helping pass every damned gun law this country has ever seen.
The NRA has helped write every major piece of gun control that has been passed, from NFA in ’34, GCA in ’68, to the Lautenberg Amendment and beyond. Doubt me? Look at the August ’68 American Rifleman and read where the NRA _bragged_ about it, saying it proved their willingness to be “reasonable” and to “compromise”. They have been compromising our rights away since the beginning.
Sometimes DJT can be a day-to-day(!) type of guy. Let’s not be in too big a hurry to judge his actions and words. After all, look what he did to certain duhbama crats a few weeks ago on immigration (nailing them on live tv) at the WH. Being the Pres. is an ongoing learning experience that he keeps adapting to. Trump is still three steps ahead of the rabble and when your enemy is busy shooting themselves in the foot, don’t readjust their aim. So, everyone needs to lighten up and give Trump some space and windage. I, for one, would still not want to play showdown poker with him………
Trump’s comment when he allegedly said on Wednesday to “take the guns first, go through due process second” at a White House meeting with a bipartisan group of lawmakers on gun laws, is the act of a man who doesn’t honor his oath of office. Not only would it indicate he isn’t savvy enough to realize another law or twelve won’t stop shootings, it also would show he is willing to ignore the Constitution just to be seen “doing something”.
The look of glee on Dianne Feinstein’s face when he told her to submit her gun ban legislation to be added to the “school safety” bill made me gag.
Not just you, RegT… Feinstein looked like the Cryptkeeper after a particularly nasty tale…
She reminds me of the Satan meme that is out there in the ether:
I’m not saying I did $#%&@! up things last night, but Satan woke up on my couch and won’t look me in the eye.
Some things leave a rather rank taste after.
For what it’s worth, Trump has been a long game player since well before the run for the White House. Part of his negotiation strategy has often been to throw something out there, make everyone focus on that, then throw a third strike. I’d put that “due process second” deep in that category. Although he’s not big into guns and outdoor sports other than ruining a nice walk by chasing a little ball, he is big into his family. The men would disown him. He’s also big into keeping campaign promises, some which many of us disagree with, but you have to admire his willingness to stand by them. Supporting the Second Amendment was a huge one.
I completely disagree with virtually all the gun proposals made so far – there is no such thing as a universal background check because criminals will never submit to them; adding age restrictions in 1968 didn’t do anything to stop violence, so making them higher won’t either; the bump stock is simply a way people have devised to overcome the unconstitutional ban on possession of newly manufactured automatic firearms, those expressly like the ones used by our military, the category of arms intended to be protected from government infringement. On the other hand, the whole thing about making some sort of Federal change to allow staff and faculty to be armed isn’t necessary. The Gun Free School Zones Act already allows for anyone licensed/permitted by the state in which the school is located can already carry on school campus if their license/permit process included a background check. If you can’t carry on school campus in your locale, it’s either a state or local restriction, not Federal (people able to carry without a license or permit obviously excepted, so that portion could stand a change to relax the restrictions to anyone legally allowed to carry can do so on school campus, period). For what it’s worth, I oppose background checks as a prerequisite to purchasing a firearm and the entire FFL structure, but the system ought to work as intended if there’s going to be one. FixNICS simply makes it more likely that all reporting organizations will indeed supply the required data so the system has the data to do what it’s designed to do. Of course, the whole national reciprocity thing is going to be a tough fight because of the likes of Feinstein, Pelosi, Schumer, and several others, but they may want the FixNICS bad enough to take that if supporters on both sides of the aisle actually find enough backbone to stand up.
In short, I’m far less concerned about what gets said or tweeted than I am about what actually happens. So far, what has actually happened has been a pretty decent slap down to opponents of Liberty, regardless of the words that preceded those actions.
“The Gun Free School Zones Act already allows for anyone licensed/permitted by the state in which the school is located can already carry on school campus if their license/permit process included a background check.”
Yeah, but it doesn’t allow you to USE it, even in an obvious emergency. Check out what the law has to say about “discharge.” That’s not an accident, that’s enemy action.
Maybe I’ve been watching too many old movies, but I see conservative Gary Cooper [High Noon] facing down liberal Robert Redford in the panels.
I thought the last panel represented Trump and his more recent anti-2A rhetoric about grabbing the guns first, due process later, bump-stocks, etc. And the fact that his ‘gat’ is loaned, i.e. four-term terms.
Speaking of ‘bump-stocks’… what’s the latest on the Vegas shooter. It off the map already?
That sickening “Take the guns first and due process later” comment was consistent with Trump’s past approach. He appointed Jeff Sessions, an outspoken advocate of civil forfeiture, as Attorney General. To Hell with people’s rights under the 5th Amendment — or, it appears, under the 2nd.
He’s not as bad as Obama or the Pig in a Pantsuit, but that’s not saying very much.
His latest move to impose high tariffs on imported metals smells like Smoot-Hawley. Fasten your seat belts, folks.
My comment last night at a gunnie blog where they were raking DT over the coals as to “republican” and or “conservative” after his comments at that meeting:
JTC says:
“Pragmatic. Artist of misdirection and the deal. Even the word-vomit from that meeting fits that; it was live on teevee for a reason… whatever it may be.
One hell of a lot has been quietly accomplished by the DT admin in the midst of the chaos to this point. So I’ll give him a pass…for now.
Muir’s DaybyDay depicts him tonight as a sheriff with an empty holster, and a citizen reminding him his gat -and his badge- are on loan, and that we call the shots. I think he knows that; it is well that we remember it too.”
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/03/its_sweetness_and_light_between_nra_and_trump_after_he_chummed_the_water_on_gun_control.html
In the USA all power is derived from the people.
Try telling that to people who have been in any office or position for a while.
Let his core wisdom return. He won because he thinks like America and not like Sodom of the Potomac.
I hope that he is just looking at various positions in a problem solving manner, and getting the others to react.
Also, Trump said he did need other people in Washington in order to get things done. He can get only so far with the people now in Washington.
maybe some good people will get up and challenge some of the RINOS and democrats in key elections, and in elections where their long shot might just pull an upset using the truth.
We gave Trump the gun.
We need more people to step into difficult places and run and win.
I may be about to make myself unpopular here, and maybe I’ve got too much faith in the God Emperor, but all I saw or heard in that meeting was POTUS trolling the hell out of the Dems.
I think he’s luring them into putting their entire wad onto the table in order to so completely poison the thing that it would never get passed without the whole country showing up in DC with ropes and carpentry tools. It would handily explain why he shot down adding the reciprocity act — an act he campaigned on. Maybe he didn’t want that bill poisoned by the stew he knew the left would be cooking up.
I think we’re going to start hearing here real soon about how the 21 year age restriction is unconstitutional age discrimination and that it just won’t fly. I expect class action suits to be filed by multitudes of 18-20 year olds who’re refused service by the Walmarts and Dicks due to their age, despite being legally considered adults. That happens, expect the handgun age limit to come back down to 18 as well.
As for the “take them and then go through due process” statement, after my first gasp of disbelief, I slowed down and thought about what that statement meant without adding flavor text or embellishments. “If you think somebody’s a danger,” Okay, there’s context. “courts take too much time.” Too much time to do what, exactly? Issue an arrest order? Go through committal proceedings? Declare a person incompetent? He really didn’t say. Just that you might have an armed person who’s thought to be dangerous running around loose during the time when you were going through whatever you were going through to solve the problem.
Then I went through whether there was any precedent for such nonsense. The first thing I thought of was how the cops can roll a suspect up for a given period of time (72 hours?) before charging them. IF they don’t charge within that time frame, they have to cut the suspect loose.
What if that’s what he meant? What if he was thinking, If somebody might be dangerous, take the guns away right away and then prove they need to be taken away or give them back. If due process isn’t managed in, say, that same time frame as holding a person without charging them with a crime, give them back. It certainly seems logical in the context of what was being discussed, if you can temporarily postpone setting your hair on fire and charging wildly about the room shrieking.
Maybe he was thinking that and everybody and their aunt Mabel just grabbed it in their teeth and headed off for the horizon, squawking and making up stories on the fly to justify the interpretations feeding it through their filters created.
Hell, maybe he’s throwing another bone to the Republicans, letting them clean it up and show some spine going into the mid-terms.
I’ve got no idea if that’s what went on, I’m just trying to apply logic to an event that seems to defy it.