Some here have called for a sort of social credit to vote…property ownership etc. Is this somehow different than that? No, they are the same, neither will ever happen. Nor will red flag laws in a fashion as has been discussed.
They should call them all red herring laws. It’s what Trump does best. Give him credit where credit is due.
This CEO knows what the rest of Pence’s statement would be otherwise…”your base will never allow…” Right Pence, we won’t.
Sounds like we are getting much closer to getting off this “bus” ride we are all on before we are thrown under it. Their comes a point when you either
run a gun or ride a rail car.
I think you meant to say ‘”There” comes a point . . . ” not ‘”Their” comes a point . . .’
Concur with your sentiments.
September 8, 2019 at 12:33 am
Toxic Deplorable Racist B Woodman
If I remember correctly, in colonial and early America, that was one of the original requirements to be allowed to vote, was to be a property owner. It showed you had “skin in the game”, unlike those who were tenant farmers, or indentured, or slaves.
Methods evolve though, at least theoretically. Property ownership, paying taxes, etc. are way to malleable now to be meaningful.
U.S. Citizenship is the criteria for the right to vote…and all the other rights guaranteed by that old Constitution thing.
And, you know, not being dead.
Of course both of those are considered optional by some.
September 8, 2019 at 11:51 am
Old Codger
Texas used to have a similar requirement for bond elections and propositions which would be repaid by raising property taxes. Then we got all “democratic” and started letting just anybody vote to raise property taxes.
Local option pay-to-play is a whole ‘nother ballgame, and one that absolutely justifies exclusionary methods.
What is at issue here is the Constitution and its guarantees. Continuing the baseball analogy I don’t think it delves into things like ballparks.
September 8, 2019 at 2:20 pm
John
The modern equivalent would be having paid taxes.
Personally, in light of the events of the last century and our outrageous national debt, I would correct the massive mistake of Direct Election of Senators this way:
The members of the Senate shall be elected by the taxpayers in proportion to taxes paid.
This would pretty much guarantee that the most competent members of our society have _their_ say in how the taxes are to be spent, and of course other critical decisions as well.
Thus, if Warren Buffet wants more say in the Senate, he’s gonna have to pay more taxes than his secretary.
As mentioned above, like property ownership and even mil service, taxes are way too subject to manipulation and irrelevance to logical action to determine representation…
To use your example, Buffet to have more say than me? Yeah, no.
Or how about Romney as he pointed out in the interview on his jet in 2012? That bitch has no business deciding what’s for dinner let alone national policy, and as it turns out we were almost certainly better off with another four years of Zero than the carnage he would have wrought.
And consider the percentile of Deplorablesthat would have been robbed of their right to hire DJT using raw dollars paid as the criteria to vote. Voting would be just another bought right to follow the money for.
Citizenship is the only legitimate factor. And being extremely stingy with who can be one -as Trump is trying hard to be- is the only legitimate method of protecting that right and that power.
September 8, 2019 at 7:14 pm
interventor
However, property was anything one owned in many states, not just land.
September 8, 2019 at 12:28 am
Toxic Deplorable Racist B Woodman
President Trump is the Master Troller. Go back and count how many times the DeMSM presstitutes have said that he said “something” designed to separate him from his voter base….and it was all totally false, in one way or another. Lies of omission. Lies of commission.
The day we start having the Chinese technocrat Social Credit Score, is the day the Shit gonna hit the Big Fan. We’re already half way there, with the Social Media shadow banning, blocking, deleting, demonitizing (did I leave out anything?).
If the law fails to protect me from thee, it also fails to protect thee from me.
I really question how Trump would go along with the Social Credit Score, which is through social network crap, when FB is currently in the hot seat again for it’s practices and biases. Then I see a possible side step with this. Fire up his base over a “red flag” with the Second Amendment, only to switch gears and go after the social media giants and have his base supporting him more than they would over it because of the threat of ties to limiting firearms through SCS.
I do think Trump has a grasp that the TRUE issue is mental issues. These mass shooters are almost like the serial killers were, which BTW we haven’t heard of serial killers like we used to. The media makes these killers/ murderers really, out to be some quazi hero. Their social media containing their “manifesto” gets published and discussed. This is the issue with all the arm chair detectives who have to know the name of the shooters so they can pour through their background, many with the political aims of blaming the Right and “white nationalists”.
Somehow I just think this is another false flag ops by Trump more than being something really considered. We’ve seen this movie before, like with the wall, and yet the wall is being worked on – even under all the court orders and overstepping judges and congress doing what it can to stop him.
About which nobody cares, except as a legitimate concern for a step onto a slippery slope…all in all a pretty damn good bargain.
Further, it sets up a SCOTUS challenge that will include other administrative restrictions, once there is an actual Constitutional conservative majority there…(Roberts, ptooie!).
September 8, 2019 at 5:19 pm
pyrodice
That’s the sound of making excuses. Assume Obama banned Bump Stocks. Tell me you’d be so forgiving?
You are Correct, I would not. Because like everything else in law and life and politics it goes to intent. If Zippy banned anything it would be as a test cast to ban more. Tell me you think that is Trump’s intent.
How can collecting data publicly posted online be illegal? I’m told that company HR departments do that regularly these days. Some will demand passwords so they can scour. Remember how companies would give psych eval tests to applicants before figuring out long-haired tattooed hippies can also install toilets and shuffle paper? Social credit seems more of the same.
Social refund demanded: Buttigieg appeals to the Bible to justify late-term abortion
“South Bend Mayor Pete Buttigieg claimed there is reason to believe the Bible teaches that life does not begin until a baby first draws breath.”
If it pops out but isn’t breathing yet then freely discard in a designated medical waste receptacle as it’s not a human. This standard has the added benefit of automatically reducing the US infant mortality rate.
Oh, and Diane Feinstein’s Assault Weapons Ban of 2019 would ban all semi-automatic shotguns with grenade launchers. So my Remington 12ga with chainsaw bayonet attachment is safe for now, although for stealth that’s a cordless model but the dang company changed battery styles so it might not last much longer.
I have been considering a track-mounted model, replaces the forend stock and stores the unit rearward for better handling, then press the release to deploy and slide forward where it locks in place and turns on. Keeps the GSR off the blade and bar. Just one should be plenty.
September 8, 2019 at 12:10 pm
Old Codger
Yet more evidence supporting mid to late 4th trimester abortion.
A couple of points Buttigieg’s statements:
Under the law of Moses, if a man assaulted a pregnant woman such that she suffered a miscarriage, the assailant paid a fine unless the woman was seriously injured in which case there was blood guilt. In the New Testament charity was a personal duty, it was not a societal responsibility. In fact Americans are the most charitable people in the world.
Apparently the Democrazies want social credits for Veterans benefits as well. I think we should deny the politicians their benefits and see what happens…
I just saw a ‘news’ article stating the Hillary and Warren are getting all buddy-buddy.
We need a name for this crew.
I submit:
The Withered Clam Party
The Liars Club
If anybody should (and does) qualify for a red flag thereby depriving him/her/it/whatever of purchasing a firearm, it should be any one of the petulant, immature libtards who make up the Democrat Party and their satellite pressure groups like Antifa, BLM, the open borders/pro-illegal alien lobby, anybody paying dues to the National Education Association and/or the California Teachers Federation, anybody occupying an elected seat within the confines of San Fransicko, anybody elected to a partisan statewide or federal office with a (D) next to his/her/it/whatever’s name, anybody who identifies as a SJW, anybody who cannot figure out whether he/she is a male or female, etc.
These would be in addition to all of those folks who are convicted fel0ns, illegal aliens, 5150 mental patients, but then again I am merely repeating myself as these are also just more constituencies of the Democrat Party.
Make this the stipulation for the red flag law and I will be okay with it.
Add a rider bill/amendment extending this very same gun purchasing background check/red flag program to each voter when registering to vote as well as showing valid ID when casting a ballot and I will then enthusiastically support this bill.
The simple truth that no one wants to utter is that liberals, progressives, Socialists, Democrats, SJWs, communists, Leftists and everyone of their ilk should not own nor ever have possession of a firearm. These zealots only believe in collective rights therefore they are incapable of exercising personal responsibility, maturity, discipline, self-reliance, self-control and independence. They have no business whatsoever being around any firearms unless they are down range of the business side of a gun muzzle.
Under 18 U.S.C. § 922(d), it is unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person “has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution.”
States are supposed to send lists of such to the FBI to include in the list of those denied permission to purchase firearms. Several states, most liberal, refuse to send in the info as they don’t wish to discriminate against the crazy. California is a major denier. Trump should sponsor a bill to require states to send the lists, with severe penalties for not doing so. Simultaneously, bad publicity against Democrats and Republicans get credit for doing something.
Exactly! Selective enforcement leads to selective obedience. If unable/unwilling to enforce an existing law then repeal it before enacting another similar one.
> Trump should sponsor
> Republicans get credit for doing something.
Or, you know, they could… try to do something? Rather than opening big yellow beaks and waiting for Trump to bring them some wriggly “credit”?
“The argument [that the] two parties should represent opposed ideas and policies, one perhaps of the right and the other of the left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to doctrinate and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can “throw the rascals out” at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy. The policies that are vital and necessary for America are no longer subjects of significant disagreement, but are disputable only in details of procedure priority or method.” — Carroll Quigley, Bill Clinon’s mentor
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Some here have called for a sort of social credit to vote…property ownership etc. Is this somehow different than that? No, they are the same, neither will ever happen. Nor will red flag laws in a fashion as has been discussed.
They should call them all red herring laws. It’s what Trump does best. Give him credit where credit is due.
This CEO knows what the rest of Pence’s statement would be otherwise…”your base will never allow…” Right Pence, we won’t.
Sounds like we are getting much closer to getting off this “bus” ride we are all on before we are thrown under it. Their comes a point when you either
run a gun or ride a rail car.
Or run a rail gun.
I think you meant to say ‘”There” comes a point . . . ” not ‘”Their” comes a point . . .’
Concur with your sentiments.
If I remember correctly, in colonial and early America, that was one of the original requirements to be allowed to vote, was to be a property owner. It showed you had “skin in the game”, unlike those who were tenant farmers, or indentured, or slaves.
Then as now the goal is the same; legitimacy.
Methods evolve though, at least theoretically. Property ownership, paying taxes, etc. are way to malleable now to be meaningful.
U.S. Citizenship is the criteria for the right to vote…and all the other rights guaranteed by that old Constitution thing.
And, you know, not being dead.
Of course both of those are considered optional by some.
Texas used to have a similar requirement for bond elections and propositions which would be repaid by raising property taxes. Then we got all “democratic” and started letting just anybody vote to raise property taxes.
One of these is not like the other, OC…
Local option pay-to-play is a whole ‘nother ballgame, and one that absolutely justifies exclusionary methods.
What is at issue here is the Constitution and its guarantees. Continuing the baseball analogy I don’t think it delves into things like ballparks.
The modern equivalent would be having paid taxes.
Personally, in light of the events of the last century and our outrageous national debt, I would correct the massive mistake of Direct Election of Senators this way:
The members of the Senate shall be elected by the taxpayers in proportion to taxes paid.
This would pretty much guarantee that the most competent members of our society have _their_ say in how the taxes are to be spent, and of course other critical decisions as well.
Thus, if Warren Buffet wants more say in the Senate, he’s gonna have to pay more taxes than his secretary.
As mentioned above, like property ownership and even mil service, taxes are way too subject to manipulation and irrelevance to logical action to determine representation…
To use your example, Buffet to have more say than me? Yeah, no.
Or how about Romney as he pointed out in the interview on his jet in 2012? That bitch has no business deciding what’s for dinner let alone national policy, and as it turns out we were almost certainly better off with another four years of Zero than the carnage he would have wrought.
And consider the percentile of Deplorablesthat would have been robbed of their right to hire DJT using raw dollars paid as the criteria to vote. Voting would be just another bought right to follow the money for.
Citizenship is the only legitimate factor. And being extremely stingy with who can be one -as Trump is trying hard to be- is the only legitimate method of protecting that right and that power.
However, property was anything one owned in many states, not just land.
President Trump is the Master Troller. Go back and count how many times the DeMSM presstitutes have said that he said “something” designed to separate him from his voter base….and it was all totally false, in one way or another. Lies of omission. Lies of commission.
The day we start having the Chinese technocrat Social Credit Score, is the day the Shit gonna hit the Big Fan. We’re already half way there, with the Social Media shadow banning, blocking, deleting, demonitizing (did I leave out anything?).
If the law fails to protect me from thee, it also fails to protect thee from me.
I really question how Trump would go along with the Social Credit Score, which is through social network crap, when FB is currently in the hot seat again for it’s practices and biases. Then I see a possible side step with this. Fire up his base over a “red flag” with the Second Amendment, only to switch gears and go after the social media giants and have his base supporting him more than they would over it because of the threat of ties to limiting firearms through SCS.
I do think Trump has a grasp that the TRUE issue is mental issues. These mass shooters are almost like the serial killers were, which BTW we haven’t heard of serial killers like we used to. The media makes these killers/ murderers really, out to be some quazi hero. Their social media containing their “manifesto” gets published and discussed. This is the issue with all the arm chair detectives who have to know the name of the shooters so they can pour through their background, many with the political aims of blaming the Right and “white nationalists”.
Somehow I just think this is another false flag ops by Trump more than being something really considered. We’ve seen this movie before, like with the wall, and yet the wall is being worked on – even under all the court orders and overstepping judges and congress doing what it can to stop him.
“Master troller” actually banned bump stocks. Time to recheck your premises.
About which nobody cares, except as a legitimate concern for a step onto a slippery slope…all in all a pretty damn good bargain.
Further, it sets up a SCOTUS challenge that will include other administrative restrictions, once there is an actual Constitutional conservative majority there…(Roberts, ptooie!).
That’s the sound of making excuses. Assume Obama banned Bump Stocks. Tell me you’d be so forgiving?
You are Correct, I would not. Because like everything else in law and life and politics it goes to intent. If Zippy banned anything it would be as a test cast to ban more. Tell me you think that is Trump’s intent.
Fornicate Empathy.
How can collecting data publicly posted online be illegal? I’m told that company HR departments do that regularly these days. Some will demand passwords so they can scour. Remember how companies would give psych eval tests to applicants before figuring out long-haired tattooed hippies can also install toilets and shuffle paper? Social credit seems more of the same.
Social refund demanded: Buttigieg appeals to the Bible to justify late-term abortion
“South Bend Mayor Pete Buttigieg claimed there is reason to believe the Bible teaches that life does not begin until a baby first draws breath.”
If it pops out but isn’t breathing yet then freely discard in a designated medical waste receptacle as it’s not a human. This standard has the added benefit of automatically reducing the US infant mortality rate.
Oh, and Diane Feinstein’s Assault Weapons Ban of 2019 would ban all semi-automatic shotguns with grenade launchers. So my Remington 12ga with chainsaw bayonet attachment is safe for now, although for stealth that’s a cordless model but the dang company changed battery styles so it might not last much longer.
You chainsaw bayonet must evolve or die – that is the way of things.
You should add a second chainsaw bayonet to you gun – twice the fun!
I have been considering a track-mounted model, replaces the forend stock and stores the unit rearward for better handling, then press the release to deploy and slide forward where it locks in place and turns on. Keeps the GSR off the blade and bar. Just one should be plenty.
Yet more evidence supporting mid to late 4th trimester abortion.
A couple of points Buttigieg’s statements:
Under the law of Moses, if a man assaulted a pregnant woman such that she suffered a miscarriage, the assailant paid a fine unless the woman was seriously injured in which case there was blood guilt. In the New Testament charity was a personal duty, it was not a societal responsibility. In fact Americans are the most charitable people in the world.
I call him Booty-plug………………..
In homage to Quagmire…
Buttgiggety.
Need to pass a ‘background check’ to purchase a gun… but can vote with no ID. Enough already… don’t push.
There are no depths so low that the Swamp Dwellers won’t stoop to in an attempt to nail Trump… and they never seem to learn from their failures…
Failure is not an option. It is prerequisite.
Apparently the Democrazies want social credits for Veterans benefits as well. I think we should deny the politicians their benefits and see what happens…
I just saw a ‘news’ article stating the Hillary and Warren are getting all buddy-buddy.
We need a name for this crew.
I submit:
The Withered Clam Party
The Liars Club
Pretty sure there’s no clam on the former.
She/it probably just wants to poke a hontas.
If anybody should (and does) qualify for a red flag thereby depriving him/her/it/whatever of purchasing a firearm, it should be any one of the petulant, immature libtards who make up the Democrat Party and their satellite pressure groups like Antifa, BLM, the open borders/pro-illegal alien lobby, anybody paying dues to the National Education Association and/or the California Teachers Federation, anybody occupying an elected seat within the confines of San Fransicko, anybody elected to a partisan statewide or federal office with a (D) next to his/her/it/whatever’s name, anybody who identifies as a SJW, anybody who cannot figure out whether he/she is a male or female, etc.
These would be in addition to all of those folks who are convicted fel0ns, illegal aliens, 5150 mental patients, but then again I am merely repeating myself as these are also just more constituencies of the Democrat Party.
Make this the stipulation for the red flag law and I will be okay with it.
Add a rider bill/amendment extending this very same gun purchasing background check/red flag program to each voter when registering to vote as well as showing valid ID when casting a ballot and I will then enthusiastically support this bill.
The simple truth that no one wants to utter is that liberals, progressives, Socialists, Democrats, SJWs, communists, Leftists and everyone of their ilk should not own nor ever have possession of a firearm. These zealots only believe in collective rights therefore they are incapable of exercising personal responsibility, maturity, discipline, self-reliance, self-control and independence. They have no business whatsoever being around any firearms unless they are down range of the business side of a gun muzzle.
No, just adopting the Trump assymetrical method of luring sick and hate-filled wackjobs into the light, exposing themselves for all to see.
Under 18 U.S.C. § 922(d), it is unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person “has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution.”
States are supposed to send lists of such to the FBI to include in the list of those denied permission to purchase firearms. Several states, most liberal, refuse to send in the info as they don’t wish to discriminate against the crazy. California is a major denier. Trump should sponsor a bill to require states to send the lists, with severe penalties for not doing so. Simultaneously, bad publicity against Democrats and Republicans get credit for doing something.
Exactly! Selective enforcement leads to selective obedience. If unable/unwilling to enforce an existing law then repeal it before enacting another similar one.
> Trump should sponsor
> Republicans get credit for doing something.
Or, you know, they could… try to do something? Rather than opening big yellow beaks and waiting for Trump to bring them some wriggly “credit”?
Without due process there is tyranny.
“The argument [that the] two parties should represent opposed ideas and policies, one perhaps of the right and the other of the left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to doctrinate and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can “throw the rascals out” at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy. The policies that are vital and necessary for America are no longer subjects of significant disagreement, but are disputable only in details of procedure priority or method.” — Carroll Quigley, Bill Clinon’s mentor