Perfect illustration for a post at a gunnie blog (sayuncle) today, where a typical anti asked:
“Why does the U.S. think gun ownership is an inalienable right given that literally all of the developed world doesn’t feel the same way?”
My comment:
“The lords and masters of the developed world may not feel that way. But I wonder what the yay/nay vote from the citizens of that world might be?”
And Unc brought a little funny truth into it:
“We also don’t care what other countries think. And think the metric system and soccer are stupid”
September 6, 2017 at 8:37 am
Old Codger
“Why does the U.S. think gun ownership is an inalienable right given that literally all of the developed world doesn’t feel the same way?”
My comment:
“The lords and masters of the developed world may not feel that way. But I wonder what the yay/nay vote from the citizens of that world might be?”
Unfortunately, I suspect the the majority of subjects“citizens” of the other so-called “developed world” would agree with your poster, JTC. But only because they have been so indoctrinated for generations. They have always been subjects (are they called “subjects” because they are “subject” to the whim of their rulers?) and so have no tradition or history of RKBA. To the best of my knowledge, we are the only nation in history to believe themselves to have that right.
Do all Americans believe that they have RKBA? Self evidently not.
Do the majority of Americans believe that they have RKBA? I’m not sure; perhaps, perhaps not; but a large number do. In the final analysis, a sufficiently large, sufficiently motivated minority is all that is required.
Remember how the subjects of Oz turned into gleeful citizens when the house landed on the bad witch?
And when you watch those vids of goose-stepping NoKo’s and the throngs lookingly so lovingly at lil kim’s picture, don’t you have the feeling they too would be dancing in the streets when/if a house falls on his pus-filled head?
Yeah, like that. It might take a bit for them to believe it’s safe to come out without getting their heads chopped off, but whatever souls are left to those under such obvious oppression and even those who have been “civilized” by it, no doubt all yearn to breathe free…and there’s really only one way to do that.
September 6, 2017 at 12:37 am
AlexJ
If by the “civilized world” one means Europe, doddering old Europe ain’t doing very well against the invading horde of Islamic freebooters.
Ask everyday Mexicans if they would like the freedom to own & bare Arms. Or Aussies, or regular Chinese?
As for me, “Never Again” starts with firearm ownership.
September 6, 2017 at 8:19 am
Norm
If you want to bare your arms, just roll up your sleeves. If you want to bear them, you’ve got to own one first.
September 6, 2017 at 1:51 pm
AlexJ
typo
September 6, 2017 at 12:55 am
Farmist
Chris, this is one of the most brilliant pieces you have written.
Thanks, and Kudos
September 6, 2017 at 1:39 am
Dienekes
This may not be an issue in the rest of the previously so-called civilized world, but in the US you couldn’t ask for a better tripwire.
actually, they weren’t looking for firearms at Lexington. they were looking for powder and cannons stolen from Fort William and Mary in Portsmouth,NH on December 14th, 4 months prior. they figured they had been distributed to militias in the boston area..and they were right. those militias weren’t stupid, and hid it pretty well. the cannons and powder were crucial to the battle of bunker hill, 2 months after Lexington.
September 6, 2017 at 8:58 am
Chris Muir
I was at the Lexington National Park.The display stressed the British were to search American homes for firearms-not cannon.
and there is zero mention of the portsmouth raid, which was the first overt action of the war, but something most probably never heard of. the ride to portsmouth was Paul Revere’s first midnight ride to alert the militia too.
it changes the narrative…heroic militiamen, defending their own property…or people preparing for a war any way they can.
September 6, 2017 at 2:29 am
Halley
Spot the Marxist:
1% vs workers
White vs black
Male vs female (et al)
Humans vs “the environment”
Whatever new Class Warfare meme they concoct
It’s all exactly the same thing, with the same bad intent.
September 6, 2017 at 2:51 am
WayneM
Wait… you mean Trump isn’t Orange Hitler?
September 6, 2017 at 5:12 am
eon
One Japanese official stated after WW2 that while the Japanese plan for the war included possibly invading and seizing the Hawaiian islands (hence Midway) and possibly Alaska (hence Dutch Harbor), the idea of invading the continental United States had never even been considered, simply because the idea of upwards of a million civilian hunters with “deer rifles” was considered a force the Imperial Japanese Army had no chance of defeating or even controlling. China was a bad enough problem, in their estimation.
And while there were several plans for the Wehrmacht to invade Switzerland (thereby wiping out a lot of the German industrialists’ debts…), they were all vetoed by Hitler, simply because he believed that the Wehrmacht could not absorb the losses of a continual guerrilla war with the Swiss and still achieve his other goals. Simply put, again too many rifles in civilian hands.
It’s worth noting that even after JFK and MLK, rifles were largely immune to “gun bans” until the first Gulf war. Even G.H.W. Bush, a noted anti-gun type, was not on board with an “assault weapon ban” until after that.
The reason was that the use of airpower, PGMs, and etc. in Iraq caused ruling class types to conclude they no longer needed “riflemen” to fight their wars. At which point they began trying to disarm “riflemen” in the United States to protect their own power.
Events post- 9/11, especially Afghanistan, have shown them their error. Once again, actual war proves that it takes an infantryman with a rifle to take and hold ground.
Or as a U.S. Army general said in 1959, “If we ever do achieve a ‘push-button war’ capability, you can be sure the man watching the push-buttons will be wearing a pistol. And he and the push-buttons will be guarded by men with rifles.”
clear ether
eon
September 6, 2017 at 7:04 am
John D. Egbert
Re Imperial Japan invading the continental United States, it is said that Admiral Yamamoto Isoroku stated that such an operation would be impossible because Japanese forces would be met with “a rifle behind every blade of grass.”
September 6, 2017 at 2:58 pm
John
I can truly admire a man with his foresight.
He also once commented, when asked about a war with the United States a few months prior to Pearl Harbor that; “I will run wild in the Pacific for six months, and after that I can promise nothing.”
The battle of Midway occurred almost exactly six months after Pearl Harbor. The subsequent successful defense of Guadalcanal can be attributed directly to the Japanese Imperial Navy’s lack of those lost attack carriers.
September 6, 2017 at 5:44 am
Bill G
The individual with a gun knows him or her self to be their own first responder, and the best answer to their problems. Not Big Government.
That attitude, spread widely enough, is destruction to the liberal agenda.
September 6, 2017 at 7:32 am
John D. Egbert
Case in point: the Supreme Court has upheld lower court rulings that the police have no – repeat, NO – duty or responsibility to protect anyone in the general population, legal requirements excepted. All those “protect and serve” mottos on squad cars are only half right — the second half.
You (me, and everyone else) are your (our, their) own first line of defense against the depredations of evil in all its forms. Hopefully there are still enough of us to do what must be done when the excrement impacts the rotary wind generator.
September 6, 2017 at 6:20 am
Deplorable B Woodman
“If a handful of Jews had been armed with Mauser rifles, 20 rounds, and the will to use them, Hitler would be no more than a footnote in the history books.”
September 6, 2017 at 7:47 am
PaulS
A few tried to figure it out in the Warsaw ghetto, and even starting from a state of firearms ignorance, managed to put up a stand.
I have an uncle fond of asking “what good would you and a deer rifle be against tyranny?”
Well, if the cave dwellers in Afghanistan can push back, I think we’ll manage. 🙂
September 6, 2017 at 9:27 am
Henry
“I have an uncle fond of asking “what good would you and a deer rifle be against tyranny?”\
On alternate days, does your uncle claim that “Nobody needs an AR-15 with a 20-round magazine to kill a deer”? Because I’ve seen uncles like that.
September 6, 2017 at 4:16 pm
PaulS
Nah, I’m not sure he knows enough to ask that. But if he did, he would. LOL
Anyway, that one is easy (Ignoring the legality of .223, 20rd mag, etc… for deer), “it’s not ‘A’ deer, it’s the whole herd.” (Just to tweek whomever asks).
a guy with a deer rifle can do quite a lot, actually.
September 6, 2017 at 9:45 pm
Deplorable B Woodman
I miss Mike….
September 6, 2017 at 6:53 am
GWB
Now that there is some funny! If only Hitler – and loads of others – had been checked by a free people, armed to the teeth.
But, eon, it isn’t just the guns. Germans had quite a few hunting rifles. The rifles have to be accompanied by an attitude of free men, vassal to none. While the Swiss might have had more firearms, they also had a nasty (to totalitarians, anyway) streak of independence in ’em, too. You have to not just have the cannon, you have to fly that flag over it: COME AND TAKE IT!
September 6, 2017 at 10:29 am
Pamela
My Right to Bear Arms means I am not required to bend my neck or bare my behind.
September 6, 2017 at 2:14 pm
MAJ Arkay
Bingo! What those who love to spout about the rest of the world “not needing” a Second Amendment refuse to understand is that this nation was founded because we DO NOT submit to being subjects instead of citizens.
Look at every nation except us and Switzerland, and you’ll see subjects.
September 7, 2017 at 10:19 am
Doggo
Don’t forget Israel. Defiantly surrounded by nations who have pledged to wipe them off the face of the Earth. They’ve kicked butt and grown their borders in every war they’ve fought.
September 6, 2017 at 3:11 pm
John
Or even your knees.
September 6, 2017 at 9:47 pm
Deplorable B Woodman
You may not be REQUIRED to bare your behind, but we hope you’ll do it voluntarily.
September 6, 2017 at 10:34 am
Unca Walt
The Swiss told Hitler at the very beginning: “Just… don’t. We will blow every bridge and tunnel, and leave you nothing.”
I have seen the Real World, pilgrims… and if you, and your friends, and your neighbors, do not have guns…
Enh. Trump’s no Hitler. The one who comes after him will be our Hitler.
September 6, 2017 at 11:38 am
Pamela
Mike Pence is no Hitler in training.
September 6, 2017 at 3:15 pm
John
True, and those calling him that want their very own Hitler.
Note that their Brown Shirts are wearing black and hoods these days.
September 6, 2017 at 11:19 pm
NotYetInACamp
Do you mean that the Deep State is going to try to force Hillary in against the vote of the people?
September 6, 2017 at 11:16 pm
NotYetInACamp
Admiral yamato’s blades of grass behind which were the Americans he feared.
And so the enemies of America have waged an asymmetric war upon this nation for generation. A replacement of the American people is underway. The Democrats have a La Raza advocate at the head of the DNC, I believe. A Muslim is close behind. Both advocate a form of hijrah against the USA. The prophet won his first victory by hijrah (emigration to conquer). The Muslims moved from Mecca, where they were being pressured (persecuted) to what they now call Medina. They made a trce of pace ith the tribes there for ten years. After a few years the Muslims saw that they had the advantage, and slaughtered two of the tribes and drove off the rest of the people that they did not slaughter first. the prophet did this. ALL Muslims know this. This is emulating the prophet, they claim the greatest man made by Allah. Muslims have infiltrated our society and government. Can you say Brennan?
Mexico has sent asymmetric armies into the USA to conquer it for generations, and they have publicly stated their intent, and supported the armies here. DACA has about 600,000 of the 800,000 people named as Mexican. Mexico has said they will welcome their people back, but want them to stay in the USA. No conventional land army can defeat the USA. That is why Chinese fly mothers into the USA to have their babies here. By my interpretation of law as the US Supreme Court discussed it, there are legal issues with those babies and all children born here to foreign nationals with those legal issues. Thus the Supreme Court could addressed the issue and reject birthright citizenship for all children of people with legal issues about their being present in the United States. They made the path to that decision, but, it has never been presented to the Supreme Court since they made the path.
Are we subjects or citizens?
Did God give us our rights or, as Nancy Pelosi says, did government give us any rights that we have. Pelosi says that government can take away those rights also.
Who owns you?
Who owns the USA?
A people with sufficient weapons can chose to bow down only to God. They do not bow down to the likes of Nancy Pelosi, the Democrats, Soros, Stalin, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, Maduro, Ted Kennedy, Antifa, Socialists, Junkers, Macron, The EC, and so many others who demand that their power makes them right.
Gun control still means properly hitting what you have chosen to aim and shoot at.
To Freedom and responsibility.
September 6, 2017 at 11:17 pm
NotYetInACamp
Excellent presentation, Mr. Muir.
If only more nations valued God given rights of defense.
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Perfect illustration for a post at a gunnie blog (sayuncle) today, where a typical anti asked:
“Why does the U.S. think gun ownership is an inalienable right given that literally all of the developed world doesn’t feel the same way?”
My comment:
“The lords and masters of the developed world may not feel that way. But I wonder what the yay/nay vote from the citizens of that world might be?”
And Unc brought a little funny truth into it:
“We also don’t care what other countries think. And think the metric system and soccer are stupid”
Unfortunately, I suspect the the majority of
subjects“citizens” of the other so-called “developed world” would agree with your poster, JTC. But only because they have been so indoctrinated for generations. They have always been subjects (are they called “subjects” because they are “subject” to the whim of their rulers?) and so have no tradition or history of RKBA. To the best of my knowledge, we are the only nation in history to believe themselves to have that right.Do all Americans believe that they have RKBA? Self evidently not.
Do the majority of Americans believe that they have RKBA? I’m not sure; perhaps, perhaps not; but a large number do. In the final analysis, a sufficiently large, sufficiently motivated minority is all that is required.
Remember how the subjects of Oz turned into gleeful citizens when the house landed on the bad witch?
And when you watch those vids of goose-stepping NoKo’s and the throngs lookingly so lovingly at lil kim’s picture, don’t you have the feeling they too would be dancing in the streets when/if a house falls on his pus-filled head?
Yeah, like that. It might take a bit for them to believe it’s safe to come out without getting their heads chopped off, but whatever souls are left to those under such obvious oppression and even those who have been “civilized” by it, no doubt all yearn to breathe free…and there’s really only one way to do that.
If by the “civilized world” one means Europe, doddering old Europe ain’t doing very well against the invading horde of Islamic freebooters.
Ask everyday Mexicans if they would like the freedom to own & bare Arms. Or Aussies, or regular Chinese?
As for me, “Never Again” starts with firearm ownership.
If you want to bare your arms, just roll up your sleeves. If you want to bear them, you’ve got to own one first.
typo
Chris, this is one of the most brilliant pieces you have written.
Thanks, and Kudos
This may not be an issue in the rest of the previously so-called civilized world, but in the US you couldn’t ask for a better tripwire.
Or one better founded in natural law tradition.
actually, they weren’t looking for firearms at Lexington. they were looking for powder and cannons stolen from Fort William and Mary in Portsmouth,NH on December 14th, 4 months prior. they figured they had been distributed to militias in the boston area..and they were right. those militias weren’t stupid, and hid it pretty well. the cannons and powder were crucial to the battle of bunker hill, 2 months after Lexington.
I was at the Lexington National Park.The display stressed the British were to search American homes for firearms-not cannon.
and there is zero mention of the portsmouth raid, which was the first overt action of the war, but something most probably never heard of. the ride to portsmouth was Paul Revere’s first midnight ride to alert the militia too.
it changes the narrative…heroic militiamen, defending their own property…or people preparing for a war any way they can.
Spot the Marxist:
1% vs workers
White vs black
Male vs female (et al)
Humans vs “the environment”
Whatever new Class Warfare meme they concoct
It’s all exactly the same thing, with the same bad intent.
Wait… you mean Trump isn’t Orange Hitler?
One Japanese official stated after WW2 that while the Japanese plan for the war included possibly invading and seizing the Hawaiian islands (hence Midway) and possibly Alaska (hence Dutch Harbor), the idea of invading the continental United States had never even been considered, simply because the idea of upwards of a million civilian hunters with “deer rifles” was considered a force the Imperial Japanese Army had no chance of defeating or even controlling. China was a bad enough problem, in their estimation.
And while there were several plans for the Wehrmacht to invade Switzerland (thereby wiping out a lot of the German industrialists’ debts…), they were all vetoed by Hitler, simply because he believed that the Wehrmacht could not absorb the losses of a continual guerrilla war with the Swiss and still achieve his other goals. Simply put, again too many rifles in civilian hands.
It’s worth noting that even after JFK and MLK, rifles were largely immune to “gun bans” until the first Gulf war. Even G.H.W. Bush, a noted anti-gun type, was not on board with an “assault weapon ban” until after that.
The reason was that the use of airpower, PGMs, and etc. in Iraq caused ruling class types to conclude they no longer needed “riflemen” to fight their wars. At which point they began trying to disarm “riflemen” in the United States to protect their own power.
Events post- 9/11, especially Afghanistan, have shown them their error. Once again, actual war proves that it takes an infantryman with a rifle to take and hold ground.
Or as a U.S. Army general said in 1959, “If we ever do achieve a ‘push-button war’ capability, you can be sure the man watching the push-buttons will be wearing a pistol. And he and the push-buttons will be guarded by men with rifles.”
clear ether
eon
Re Imperial Japan invading the continental United States, it is said that Admiral Yamamoto Isoroku stated that such an operation would be impossible because Japanese forces would be met with “a rifle behind every blade of grass.”
I can truly admire a man with his foresight.
He also once commented, when asked about a war with the United States a few months prior to Pearl Harbor that; “I will run wild in the Pacific for six months, and after that I can promise nothing.”
The battle of Midway occurred almost exactly six months after Pearl Harbor. The subsequent successful defense of Guadalcanal can be attributed directly to the Japanese Imperial Navy’s lack of those lost attack carriers.
The individual with a gun knows him or her self to be their own first responder, and the best answer to their problems. Not Big Government.
That attitude, spread widely enough, is destruction to the liberal agenda.
Case in point: the Supreme Court has upheld lower court rulings that the police have no – repeat, NO – duty or responsibility to protect anyone in the general population, legal requirements excepted. All those “protect and serve” mottos on squad cars are only half right — the second half.
You (me, and everyone else) are your (our, their) own first line of defense against the depredations of evil in all its forms. Hopefully there are still enough of us to do what must be done when the excrement impacts the rotary wind generator.
“If a handful of Jews had been armed with Mauser rifles, 20 rounds, and the will to use them, Hitler would be no more than a footnote in the history books.”
A few tried to figure it out in the Warsaw ghetto, and even starting from a state of firearms ignorance, managed to put up a stand.
I have an uncle fond of asking “what good would you and a deer rifle be against tyranny?”
Well, if the cave dwellers in Afghanistan can push back, I think we’ll manage. 🙂
“I have an uncle fond of asking “what good would you and a deer rifle be against tyranny?”\
On alternate days, does your uncle claim that “Nobody needs an AR-15 with a 20-round magazine to kill a deer”? Because I’ve seen uncles like that.
Nah, I’m not sure he knows enough to ask that. But if he did, he would. LOL
Anyway, that one is easy (Ignoring the legality of .223, 20rd mag, etc… for deer), “it’s not ‘A’ deer, it’s the whole herd.” (Just to tweek whomever asks).
http://westernrifleshooters.blogspot.com/2008/07/vanderboegh-handgun-against-army-ten.html
a guy with a deer rifle can do quite a lot, actually.
I miss Mike….
Now that there is some funny! If only Hitler – and loads of others – had been checked by a free people, armed to the teeth.
But, eon, it isn’t just the guns. Germans had quite a few hunting rifles. The rifles have to be accompanied by an attitude of free men, vassal to none. While the Swiss might have had more firearms, they also had a nasty (to totalitarians, anyway) streak of independence in ’em, too. You have to not just have the cannon, you have to fly that flag over it: COME AND TAKE IT!
My Right to Bear Arms means I am not required to bend my neck or bare my behind.
Bingo! What those who love to spout about the rest of the world “not needing” a Second Amendment refuse to understand is that this nation was founded because we DO NOT submit to being subjects instead of citizens.
Look at every nation except us and Switzerland, and you’ll see subjects.
Don’t forget Israel. Defiantly surrounded by nations who have pledged to wipe them off the face of the Earth. They’ve kicked butt and grown their borders in every war they’ve fought.
Or even your knees.
You may not be REQUIRED to bare your behind, but we hope you’ll do it voluntarily.
The Swiss told Hitler at the very beginning: “Just… don’t. We will blow every bridge and tunnel, and leave you nothing.”
I have seen the Real World, pilgrims… and if you, and your friends, and your neighbors, do not have guns…
…you are all naive to the point of suicide. Look what the Khmer Rouge and Pol Pot did. They had contests… http://c8.alamy.com/comp/D3DJD8/cambodia-during-the-pol-pot-years-1975-8-the-khmer-rouge-killed-between-D3DJD8.jpg
Enh. Trump’s no Hitler. The one who comes after him will be our Hitler.
Mike Pence is no Hitler in training.
True, and those calling him that want their very own Hitler.
Note that their Brown Shirts are wearing black and hoods these days.
Do you mean that the Deep State is going to try to force Hillary in against the vote of the people?
Admiral yamato’s blades of grass behind which were the Americans he feared.
And so the enemies of America have waged an asymmetric war upon this nation for generation. A replacement of the American people is underway. The Democrats have a La Raza advocate at the head of the DNC, I believe. A Muslim is close behind. Both advocate a form of hijrah against the USA. The prophet won his first victory by hijrah (emigration to conquer). The Muslims moved from Mecca, where they were being pressured (persecuted) to what they now call Medina. They made a trce of pace ith the tribes there for ten years. After a few years the Muslims saw that they had the advantage, and slaughtered two of the tribes and drove off the rest of the people that they did not slaughter first. the prophet did this. ALL Muslims know this. This is emulating the prophet, they claim the greatest man made by Allah. Muslims have infiltrated our society and government. Can you say Brennan?
Mexico has sent asymmetric armies into the USA to conquer it for generations, and they have publicly stated their intent, and supported the armies here. DACA has about 600,000 of the 800,000 people named as Mexican. Mexico has said they will welcome their people back, but want them to stay in the USA. No conventional land army can defeat the USA. That is why Chinese fly mothers into the USA to have their babies here. By my interpretation of law as the US Supreme Court discussed it, there are legal issues with those babies and all children born here to foreign nationals with those legal issues. Thus the Supreme Court could addressed the issue and reject birthright citizenship for all children of people with legal issues about their being present in the United States. They made the path to that decision, but, it has never been presented to the Supreme Court since they made the path.
Are we subjects or citizens?
Did God give us our rights or, as Nancy Pelosi says, did government give us any rights that we have. Pelosi says that government can take away those rights also.
Who owns you?
Who owns the USA?
A people with sufficient weapons can chose to bow down only to God. They do not bow down to the likes of Nancy Pelosi, the Democrats, Soros, Stalin, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, Maduro, Ted Kennedy, Antifa, Socialists, Junkers, Macron, The EC, and so many others who demand that their power makes them right.
Gun control still means properly hitting what you have chosen to aim and shoot at.
To Freedom and responsibility.
Excellent presentation, Mr. Muir.
If only more nations valued God given rights of defense.