They’re working on it as fast as they can! They only have another two years of cover.
February 27, 2015 at 1:46 pm
KenH
Every time the Iranians get frisky, or their enablers do, its always fun to run the first-strike projections on Tehran and the surrounding area
Kill 50 million+ in 15 minutes…
Hey, you persians all hot for seas of fire?
Better break out the 6 million spf sunblock, cause you are gonna have one mf of a bad day…
February 27, 2015 at 12:30 am
Wayne M
The same kind of pseudo-intellectuals who feel compelled to link today’s radical Islamic extremists with the barbarism of Christians during the Crusades, also like to reference the so-called “golden age” of Islam. Clearly pseudo-intellectualism requires ignorance of history.
February 27, 2015 at 12:44 am
B Woodman
The only “golden age of Islam” that I’m aware of is when good’ol’boy Mohammed double crossed and slaughtered the Jews in Medina.
Outside of that, everything else that’s attributed to the muzzies actually came from the Persians or the Indian Hindues.
“Golden age of Islam”, my oversized left testacle.
February 27, 2015 at 12:50 am
SteveInCO
They also kept a lot of ancient Greek learning alive. They made some scientific advances–more than Europe was making at the time. But then there was a resurgence of Islamic fundamentalism and it came to an abrupt end. Eventually we had our Renaissance, and completely outran them, to the point where they have to use terrorism to wage their jihad.
February 27, 2015 at 1:47 am
Gyro
Actually, it was the Byzantines that kept a lot of ancient Greek learning alive. As with Persian and east Indian knowledge, the Muslims appropriated Greek knowledge.
February 27, 2015 at 8:30 am
eon
The “Renaissance” really got started not due to the liberation of the “great Muslim libraries” of Spain, but due to the fact that with the Muslim onslaught into Europe via the Balkans, a large number of monasteries pulled up stakes and fled west, bringing their libraries with them. The fact that the Muslims had burnt most of the Alexandrian Library when they took the Egyptian city was probably the reason.
Once in the West, those monastic library collections were fished through by scholars who were amazed at what was there and what the West had “lost” when Rome fell. By a useful coincidence, it was about the same time that printing became fairly common for book production. Printers took to reprinting every Greek and Roman manuscript they could lay their hands on, ensuring that the knowledge would be widespread enough that it wouldn’t be “lost” again. They made a lot of money doing it, too, which was naturally the main objective from their private enterprise POV.
Look up “Aldus Manutius” to see how it went. (Among other things, he invented the modern “pocket book” format.) Two good places to start are the books Connections and The Day The Universe Changed by James Burke.
(NB; Once you’ve read these two books, you will never look at history quite the same way again. And I don’t mean the “Howard Zinn” worldview, either.)
cheers
eon
February 27, 2015 at 9:09 am
SteveInCO
Unfortunately, the story that the Muslims destroyed the Library of Alexandria probably isn’t true. It appears to have suffered multiple disasters including fires set by Julius Caesar (48BC) and the capture of Alexandria during Zenobia’s revolt by Aurelian (270-275AD). Some mention Theodosius (the emperor who outlawed paganism) in 391 destroying all pagan temples including the Serapeum, which would have housed the library, but other sources from the time speak of the library in the past tense (i.e., indicating it had already been completely destroyed). This was all well before Islam even existed. There are accusations that Caliph Omar did it in 642, but there’s no remotely contemporary account of this, and historians are skeptical of this.
The preponderance of historical evidence indicates that although Islam has a LOT to answer for, the destruction of the Library of Alexandria isn’t one of those things; it was already long gone, and a more likely suspect would actually be the Christians of that day. Certainly the vast majority of Christians today wouldn’t do such a thing (and many Muslims would, if given the chance), but that doesn’t change what happened back then.
I am, in fact, far more interested in what they are doing today, and…it ain’t good.
It was the Syriacs (Christians) who copied the Greek texts into their language, and thence into Arabic to ensure their propagation. Islam had little to do with it.
February 27, 2015 at 6:10 pm
iconoclast
Eon is exactly right.
Aldus Manutius also invent italic type so smaller books could be printed. When Manutius died his coffin was filled with books.
February 27, 2015 at 11:55 am
Immanuel Goldstein
Currently Daish fanatics are destroying the museum of antiquities in Mosul of artifacts, and statues from ancient Mesopotamia, thereby destroying any evidence that civilization existed before the life of Mohammed. That’s your pure Islam at work. Don’t believe the “golden age” cr@p about Islamic “Culture.” They are sub human savages pure and simple. A plague on mankind.
February 27, 2015 at 3:32 pm
eon
One of them was busy using an electric drill or the winged Assyrian bulls. I guess he figured there just had to be and ex-Russian SS-20 warhead in there, somewhere.
Eschatological fanatics don’t process the concept of “This is a work of fiction” very well.
cheers
eon
February 27, 2015 at 6:13 pm
Bad Cyborg
Actually, my understanding was that all the advances (few as there were) were made by Jewish Dhimmis with Arabic names. Also all of the so-called “great literature” in Arabic was either by Dhimmis or highly unorthodox Muslims. But when you worship a “god” who can (and WILL) do anything including reverse Himself, punish someone one day for the same thing he had his “prophet” reward someone else for a few days earlier, and seriously contradict Himself in his own scripture (so much so, in fact, that it is a principle of Islamic hermeneutics that whenever two passages contradict each other the one said later prevails) it is no wonder that it never occurred to any Muslim to look for aspects of Allah in the order found in the natural world. That is unlike the God of Christians and Jews who is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow and Whose presence the very universe makes more apparent. The first “scientists” were theologians looking to understand Creator God by studying His creation.
I thought the greatest intellectual contribution of Islam was the concept of the number Zero, which is remarkably appropriate considering their nihilism.
February 27, 2015 at 8:27 am
B Woodman
Right idea, once again, wrong culture. The concept of our modern counting system (as opposed to the Roman I, II, IV, etc) came from India, even though it’s called “Arabic”.
February 27, 2015 at 8:39 am
eon
They didn’t invent gunpowder either. They stole it from the Chinese. In fact, the Arabic term for saltpeter (potassium nitrate, KNO3), the most important ingredient in black powder, is “al-sichem al-Khitai”- “snow from China“.
No, Europeans didn’t invent gunpowder independently, either. Their early powder formulas are duplicates of Chinese formulations. One example is the addition of arsenic and/or dried dung (!) to the mixtures. This does no good whatever in propellant powder (as the Europeans tried to use it), but when put in a clay pot and thrown by catapult, the blast at the receiving end creates a cloud of dust which has a nearly-lethal sternutating (lung injurant) effect.
“Arsenical smokes” were used in WW1 to achieve the same result. The Chinese had the idea about a thousand years earlier. As for the Europeans, in copying Chinese powder “recipes”, they had mistaken bomb filling formulas for propellant powder mixtures. Which clearly shows they were copying without entirely understanding what they were doing. Oops.
cheers
eon
February 27, 2015 at 5:48 pm
Faeroe
The dung mixture is interesting – and perhaps shorthand for saltepeter, which can be formed over time by the decomposition of manure.
February 27, 2015 at 6:15 pm
iconoclast
Similar to the misguided notion that Muslims invented algebra, which came from Greek, Indian and Chinese. Maybe even a bit of ancient Egyptian contribution as well.
Yep. Nothing to do with the religion. It was a resurgence in that religion that killed the golden age.
February 27, 2015 at 8:50 am
eon
And their main sources of astronomical knowledge came from India and the Greeks. Claudius Ptolemy’s massive work on star positions, constellations, etc., is called the Almagest today because that was the name Muslim astrologers gave it- “al-Magest“, “the Greatest”. We only have it today because one copy was found in the Toledo library after it fell to the army of then-King Ferdinand of Castile in 1483. (Yes, Ferdinand of “- and Isabella” fame.)
Such manuscripts were practically state secrets in Islam because of the influence of astrology. Casting the caliph’s horoscope was only legal for the court astrologer. Anyone else caught trying it was usually hanged. Islam was and is not into the “democratization of knowledge”.
Of course, today, if you run into a typical progressive AGW believer, the chances of them also believing in astrology are about 70%, according to most polls. They are also more likely to believe in UFOs being alien spaceships, and that “alien abduction” is real.
Superstition and tyranny seem to go hand in hand, in any age.
cheers
eon
February 28, 2015 at 1:09 am
B Woodman
I’ve been reading a couple of books by Gavin Menzies, “1421, The Year China Discovered America”, “1434, The Year A Magnificant Chinese Fleet Sailed To Italy And Ignited The Renaissance”, and “Who Discovered America?”.
Fascinating books. A lot of indirect and strong circumstancial evidence to show that China was the major innovator (including astronomy and maps) in their day. So, Islam, where art thy achievements??
In order to be a good pisslim you have to be a bad pisslim.
The Crusaders made a huge mistake.
They left some pisslims alive.
You can’t do that.
They reproduce.
The only good pisslim is the dead pisslim.
You’ve got to make them all good.
Then you can start looking for leftists.
Muslims hold many of ‘their own’ hostage by their penalties for apostasy which are often fatal. It’s an open question if the world’s religions were permitted to compete on even ground with Islam how many muslims there actually would be.
Don’t imagine that even the simplest of nonviolent solutions has already been tried and failed. Mostly they haven’t been tried at all.
February 27, 2015 at 5:31 am
Bill G
Regarding ‘Low’, I’ll steal from, er, paraphrase Ambrose Bierce.
“Obola would never stoop to such a thing. Rise to it, maybe.”
You should go to “ThisAintHell dot us” and read the posts about McHaji’s Navy. Funny.
February 27, 2015 at 7:16 pm
Bad Cyborg
Read the article. Funny thing. I seriously doubt that the Iranians’ plywood mockup of the Nimitz was doing much shooting back while it was being attacked. You gotta figure that the real thing would be doing more than sitting there while the hajis were driving around it in their inflatable boats. Of course the other vessels in the task force would be shooting for all they were worth at the same time. Personally I sorta hope the dipshits DO try something stupid. That would be an act of war and I doubt the task force commander would wait for permission from DC before responding. Shed load of firepower in board a nuke aircraft carrier.
Let the poxy barstids swagger and posture. Those dipshits have never heard of Teddy Roosevelt’s famous maxim “Walk softly but carry a big stick.” A carrier task force is one mike foxtrot of a big stick. Now if the Haji in chief (Kenyan in Chief?) will just leave the WH when his time is up in just under 24 months . . .
I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.
February 27, 2015 at 9:02 am
Uffdaphil
Reintroduce the colonial system in every Muslim nation supporting jihad. Tax the turds for the administration and westernize the hell out of them. A couple generations of MTV would subvert the culture.
Serious reminder:
Time to stock up on 5.56mmX45mm, consideriing the “Fundamental Tranny’s” coming XX Order to ban 556 & 223 ammo. What he has called “Backdoor Gun Control”
Laying in appropo supplies is simply just one more duty of an American citizen.
February 27, 2015 at 10:25 am
Uffdaphil
Amen Gideon. I have a couple of S&W 5.45 uppers socked away with plenty of spam cans. When the 5.56 is scarce, I can swap lowers in 30 seconds and be back in business. Too bad Smith quit making them, but can still be found for less than a top shelf 5.56 upper.
February 27, 2015 at 10:46 am
Spin Drift
Mooselimb out reach my hiney, my daughter was at NASA Space Camp when they cancelled the program to return to the Moon. The number of gobsmacked Phd’s running around was of epic proportions. Nobody could wrap their brains around the decision. It didn’t compute that the Lightbringer would stop the need to go where no man has gone before.
February 27, 2015 at 9:15 pm
interventor
The Skunk Works at Lockheed-Martin announced they will have a working fusion generator by 2017 and commercial ones by 2024. They’re so confident that there is a design to replace NG generators directly. Fusion uses deuterium found in sea water and the surface of the moon. Almost unlimited electric power with little pollution. An effective way of producing hydrogen from seawater. Burning hydrogen in the internal combustion engine produces oxygen and water as pollution.
An environmentalist’s nightmare.
February 27, 2015 at 5:13 pm
JTC
Speaking of aliens in spaceships, Spock has headed back to where no mortal man has gone before…he was my kind of alien, fact- and logic driven and without a trace of ill will, yet he knew there was a supreme power…may peace be upon his soul.
Seeking to be a sister spouse, you genuinely must investigate sisterwives.com, they’re the biggest web page I recognise for polygamist relationship and existence.
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Probably Tel Aviv, if I had to make a guess…
…only if they can arrange to put some specific metals with very heavy nuclei in the payload.
They’re working on it as fast as they can! They only have another two years of cover.
Every time the Iranians get frisky, or their enablers do, its always fun to run the first-strike projections on Tehran and the surrounding area
Kill 50 million+ in 15 minutes…
Hey, you persians all hot for seas of fire?
Better break out the 6 million spf sunblock, cause you are gonna have one mf of a bad day…
The same kind of pseudo-intellectuals who feel compelled to link today’s radical Islamic extremists with the barbarism of Christians during the Crusades, also like to reference the so-called “golden age” of Islam. Clearly pseudo-intellectualism requires ignorance of history.
The only “golden age of Islam” that I’m aware of is when good’ol’boy Mohammed double crossed and slaughtered the Jews in Medina.
Outside of that, everything else that’s attributed to the muzzies actually came from the Persians or the Indian Hindues.
“Golden age of Islam”, my oversized left testacle.
They also kept a lot of ancient Greek learning alive. They made some scientific advances–more than Europe was making at the time. But then there was a resurgence of Islamic fundamentalism and it came to an abrupt end. Eventually we had our Renaissance, and completely outran them, to the point where they have to use terrorism to wage their jihad.
Actually, it was the Byzantines that kept a lot of ancient Greek learning alive. As with Persian and east Indian knowledge, the Muslims appropriated Greek knowledge.
The “Renaissance” really got started not due to the liberation of the “great Muslim libraries” of Spain, but due to the fact that with the Muslim onslaught into Europe via the Balkans, a large number of monasteries pulled up stakes and fled west, bringing their libraries with them. The fact that the Muslims had burnt most of the Alexandrian Library when they took the Egyptian city was probably the reason.
Once in the West, those monastic library collections were fished through by scholars who were amazed at what was there and what the West had “lost” when Rome fell. By a useful coincidence, it was about the same time that printing became fairly common for book production. Printers took to reprinting every Greek and Roman manuscript they could lay their hands on, ensuring that the knowledge would be widespread enough that it wouldn’t be “lost” again. They made a lot of money doing it, too, which was naturally the main objective from their private enterprise POV.
Look up “Aldus Manutius” to see how it went. (Among other things, he invented the modern “pocket book” format.) Two good places to start are the books Connections and The Day The Universe Changed by James Burke.
(NB; Once you’ve read these two books, you will never look at history quite the same way again. And I don’t mean the “Howard Zinn” worldview, either.)
cheers
eon
Unfortunately, the story that the Muslims destroyed the Library of Alexandria probably isn’t true. It appears to have suffered multiple disasters including fires set by Julius Caesar (48BC) and the capture of Alexandria during Zenobia’s revolt by Aurelian (270-275AD). Some mention Theodosius (the emperor who outlawed paganism) in 391 destroying all pagan temples including the Serapeum, which would have housed the library, but other sources from the time speak of the library in the past tense (i.e., indicating it had already been completely destroyed). This was all well before Islam even existed. There are accusations that Caliph Omar did it in 642, but there’s no remotely contemporary account of this, and historians are skeptical of this.
The preponderance of historical evidence indicates that although Islam has a LOT to answer for, the destruction of the Library of Alexandria isn’t one of those things; it was already long gone, and a more likely suspect would actually be the Christians of that day. Certainly the vast majority of Christians today wouldn’t do such a thing (and many Muslims would, if given the chance), but that doesn’t change what happened back then.
I am, in fact, far more interested in what they are doing today, and…it ain’t good.
It was the Syriacs (Christians) who copied the Greek texts into their language, and thence into Arabic to ensure their propagation. Islam had little to do with it.
Eon is exactly right.
Aldus Manutius also invent italic type so smaller books could be printed. When Manutius died his coffin was filled with books.
Currently Daish fanatics are destroying the museum of antiquities in Mosul of artifacts, and statues from ancient Mesopotamia, thereby destroying any evidence that civilization existed before the life of Mohammed. That’s your pure Islam at work. Don’t believe the “golden age” cr@p about Islamic “Culture.” They are sub human savages pure and simple. A plague on mankind.
One of them was busy using an electric drill or the winged Assyrian bulls. I guess he figured there just had to be and ex-Russian SS-20 warhead in there, somewhere.
Eschatological fanatics don’t process the concept of “This is a work of fiction” very well.
cheers
eon
Actually, my understanding was that all the advances (few as there were) were made by Jewish Dhimmis with Arabic names. Also all of the so-called “great literature” in Arabic was either by Dhimmis or highly unorthodox Muslims. But when you worship a “god” who can (and WILL) do anything including reverse Himself, punish someone one day for the same thing he had his “prophet” reward someone else for a few days earlier, and seriously contradict Himself in his own scripture (so much so, in fact, that it is a principle of Islamic hermeneutics that whenever two passages contradict each other the one said later prevails) it is no wonder that it never occurred to any Muslim to look for aspects of Allah in the order found in the natural world. That is unlike the God of Christians and Jews who is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow and Whose presence the very universe makes more apparent. The first “scientists” were theologians looking to understand Creator God by studying His creation.
I thought the greatest intellectual contribution of Islam was the concept of the number Zero, which is remarkably appropriate considering their nihilism.
Right idea, once again, wrong culture. The concept of our modern counting system (as opposed to the Roman I, II, IV, etc) came from India, even though it’s called “Arabic”.
They didn’t invent gunpowder either. They stole it from the Chinese. In fact, the Arabic term for saltpeter (potassium nitrate, KNO3), the most important ingredient in black powder, is “al-sichem al-Khitai”- “snow from China“.
No, Europeans didn’t invent gunpowder independently, either. Their early powder formulas are duplicates of Chinese formulations. One example is the addition of arsenic and/or dried dung (!) to the mixtures. This does no good whatever in propellant powder (as the Europeans tried to use it), but when put in a clay pot and thrown by catapult, the blast at the receiving end creates a cloud of dust which has a nearly-lethal sternutating (lung injurant) effect.
“Arsenical smokes” were used in WW1 to achieve the same result. The Chinese had the idea about a thousand years earlier. As for the Europeans, in copying Chinese powder “recipes”, they had mistaken bomb filling formulas for propellant powder mixtures. Which clearly shows they were copying without entirely understanding what they were doing. Oops.
cheers
eon
The dung mixture is interesting – and perhaps shorthand for saltepeter, which can be formed over time by the decomposition of manure.
Similar to the misguided notion that Muslims invented algebra, which came from Greek, Indian and Chinese. Maybe even a bit of ancient Egyptian contribution as well.
Odds are Islam’s *Golden Age* came about due to its rulers’ actions/choices rather than its religious teachings… http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2757/golden-age-of-islam
Yep. Nothing to do with the religion. It was a resurgence in that religion that killed the golden age.
And their main sources of astronomical knowledge came from India and the Greeks. Claudius Ptolemy’s massive work on star positions, constellations, etc., is called the Almagest today because that was the name Muslim astrologers gave it- “al-Magest“, “the Greatest”. We only have it today because one copy was found in the Toledo library after it fell to the army of then-King Ferdinand of Castile in 1483. (Yes, Ferdinand of “- and Isabella” fame.)
Such manuscripts were practically state secrets in Islam because of the influence of astrology. Casting the caliph’s horoscope was only legal for the court astrologer. Anyone else caught trying it was usually hanged. Islam was and is not into the “democratization of knowledge”.
Of course, today, if you run into a typical progressive AGW believer, the chances of them also believing in astrology are about 70%, according to most polls. They are also more likely to believe in UFOs being alien spaceships, and that “alien abduction” is real.
Superstition and tyranny seem to go hand in hand, in any age.
cheers
eon
I’ve been reading a couple of books by Gavin Menzies, “1421, The Year China Discovered America”, “1434, The Year A Magnificant Chinese Fleet Sailed To Italy And Ignited The Renaissance”, and “Who Discovered America?”.
Fascinating books. A lot of indirect and strong circumstancial evidence to show that China was the major innovator (including astronomy and maps) in their day. So, Islam, where art thy achievements??
http://nyc-architecture.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/110906-WTC-CRA-13.jpg
of course. I understand they’re really proud of that one.
Too bad the intolerant verses aren’t the ones abrogated… http://www.meforum.org/1754/peace-or-jihad-abrogation-in-islam
In order to be a good pisslim you have to be a bad pisslim.
The Crusaders made a huge mistake.
They left some pisslims alive.
You can’t do that.
They reproduce.
The only good pisslim is the dead pisslim.
You’ve got to make them all good.
Then you can start looking for leftists.
Muslims hold many of ‘their own’ hostage by their penalties for apostasy which are often fatal. It’s an open question if the world’s religions were permitted to compete on even ground with Islam how many muslims there actually would be.
Don’t imagine that even the simplest of nonviolent solutions has already been tried and failed. Mostly they haven’t been tried at all.
Regarding ‘Low’, I’ll steal from, er, paraphrase Ambrose Bierce.
“Obola would never stoop to such a thing. Rise to it, maybe.”
“aim the thing at a city is my guess.”
mine? an aircraft carrier.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/26/world/iran-mock-carrier-destroyed/
You should go to “ThisAintHell dot us” and read the posts about McHaji’s Navy. Funny.
Read the article. Funny thing. I seriously doubt that the Iranians’ plywood mockup of the Nimitz was doing much shooting back while it was being attacked. You gotta figure that the real thing would be doing more than sitting there while the hajis were driving around it in their inflatable boats. Of course the other vessels in the task force would be shooting for all they were worth at the same time. Personally I sorta hope the dipshits DO try something stupid. That would be an act of war and I doubt the task force commander would wait for permission from DC before responding. Shed load of firepower in board a nuke aircraft carrier.
Let the poxy barstids swagger and posture. Those dipshits have never heard of Teddy Roosevelt’s famous maxim “Walk softly but carry a big stick.” A carrier task force is one mike foxtrot of a big stick. Now if the Haji in chief (Kenyan in Chief?) will just leave the WH when his time is up in just under 24 months . . .
I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.
Reintroduce the colonial system in every Muslim nation supporting jihad. Tax the turds for the administration and westernize the hell out of them. A couple generations of MTV would subvert the culture.
Just another day in the Islamic State… http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-31647484
Serious reminder:
Time to stock up on 5.56mmX45mm, consideriing the “Fundamental Tranny’s” coming XX Order to ban 556 & 223 ammo. What he has called “Backdoor Gun Control”
Laying in appropo supplies is simply just one more duty of an American citizen.
Amen Gideon. I have a couple of S&W 5.45 uppers socked away with plenty of spam cans. When the 5.56 is scarce, I can swap lowers in 30 seconds and be back in business. Too bad Smith quit making them, but can still be found for less than a top shelf 5.56 upper.
Mooselimb out reach my hiney, my daughter was at NASA Space Camp when they cancelled the program to return to the Moon. The number of gobsmacked Phd’s running around was of epic proportions. Nobody could wrap their brains around the decision. It didn’t compute that the Lightbringer would stop the need to go where no man has gone before.
The Skunk Works at Lockheed-Martin announced they will have a working fusion generator by 2017 and commercial ones by 2024. They’re so confident that there is a design to replace NG generators directly. Fusion uses deuterium found in sea water and the surface of the moon. Almost unlimited electric power with little pollution. An effective way of producing hydrogen from seawater. Burning hydrogen in the internal combustion engine produces oxygen and water as pollution.
An environmentalist’s nightmare.
Speaking of aliens in spaceships, Spock has headed back to where no mortal man has gone before…he was my kind of alien, fact- and logic driven and without a trace of ill will, yet he knew there was a supreme power…may peace be upon his soul.
Seeking to be a sister spouse, you genuinely must investigate sisterwives.com, they’re the biggest web page I recognise for polygamist relationship and existence.