* New Zealand politicians, members of the media, and non-Muslim women embraced displays of Muslim faith Friday in an effort to show solidarity with the country’s Muslim community after the Christchurch shootings.
* Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern donned a hijab, along with thousands of other non-Muslim women, and recited a passage from the Koran at a ceremony in Hagley Park shortly before the Muslim call to prayer was broadcast nationwide.
* Despite overwhelming support for the #scarvesinsolidarity campaign, Muslim and non-Muslim critics lambasted it, arguing that hijabs are used to oppress women in Muslim majority countries.
I wonder what the lines were like at the government-sponsored FGM clinics.
I’m wondering when they’re going to open MGM clinics.
According to the logic of the virtue-signalling “gun guy” who turned in his “clean” SA rifle just to make sure it would never be used to harm anybody in the future, men like him should volunteer to have their willies bobbed just to make sure they would never be used to rape anybody in the future.
Not exactly “marching in support of” but when a Jewish cemetery was desecrated in St Louis a couple years ago, there was a multi-religious clean up day, with Jews, Muslims, and Christians participating. Nobody likes to think of their dead being dishonored.
March 25, 2019 at 12:29 pm
Doggo
The “passage from the Koran” they recited…is that the one that converts to Islam recite to seal the deal? Did every woman in the nation of New Zealand just become Muslim?
There is good reasoning that the NZ “shooting”was a false flag operation, a hoax to strip away what few gun rights the Kiwis have left, and turn the country over to dihimmitude (sp?) and sharia “law” (koff! bs! koff!)
Since I’m on my kindle and typing, not copy-and-paste, I hope this works:
theferalirishman.blogspot.com/2019/03/another-shooting-hoax.html
That post is f-ing nuts. Thanks bud, I just downloaded a snuff film. People didn’t all just “fall like a sack of potatoes”, they were running and crawling away. The bullets did leave marks, with eruptions of red mist, as the maniac went back again and again to pump more bullets into the piles of bodies.
On half-speed you can see the “disappearing” casings at the sidewalk were flying behind the gate one way and over the curb out of view in the other, with other shiny casings lying about. And whatever shotgun loads he had in the car, could’ve been birdshot and he was having ammo problems, didn’t do well on a steeply angled shot against a tough windshield but quickly shattered a side window.
Only thing that “analysis” found is there’s a lot of gullible “truthers” out there.
Many of those wealthy folks consider themselves safer if all the guns in the hands of the public have been confiscated. Plus in NZ they’ve got relatively unspoiled islands with a very large, pacific moat between themselves and the deplorable undesirables.
Street corner prostitution is a free market trade for value given.
Political prostitution is a different creature, closer to sedition and treason, and should be punished accordingly.
“Politician Realignment Kit: Rope, Tall Tree or Lamppost, Political Prostitute Politician or Bureaucrat; some assembly required.”
I just finished reading Jon Ross’ “Unintended Consequences” on archive. org, and need to calm down.
I had e-mail discussions with John a few years back. The woman Allen killed with the BATF agent’s gun (sorry, his name escapes me) was based on a real political person of the era. Who is now deceased.
March 24, 2019 at 11:34 pm
TomZ.
Are you referring to the woman near the end? If so she shares first and last initials with John.
March 24, 2019 at 12:29 am
Toxic Deplorable B Woodman
Can’t say that I feel sorry for those two “white supremacists”, but their being expelled from their committee(s) does not bode well for the rest of us citizens.
Here in “God’s Country”, Oregon, our governor has asked a bill closely resembling what is proposed in NZ be put in the legislative hopper. She did this over two months ago. I do not like the idea that patently unconstitutional laws involving an enumerated right can even be put forward. I believe it to be a violation of their oath of office in which they swear to “… protect and defend …” the Constitution of the United States and of the state in which they live.
I am further disturbed that an obvious mad man can go to another country, Australia to New Zealand, lie on his firearms application form, self defense is a disqualifier for ownership in NZ, post a letter stating why he did what he did and laying out the consequences he expected to provoke by his actions, civil war, and have the government do everything he wanted… except for publishing his name.
As to his punishment: western civilization is far too “civilized” to treat this … thing the way its crime deserves. A friend has a just and proper idea: contact ISIS or any of the muslim states and ask if they’d like to take care of the issue. They have some crude, but effective, thoughts on how to deal with this sort.
As far as the attack itself, why is the western world so concerned about this attack? Christians and other not muslims, infidels, have been attacked by adherents to the prophet for generations. Since 9/11 over 90,000 Christians have been butchered in parts of Africa alone. You barely hear of this. Muslims have active fights going with literally every other religion across the globe. The Quran/Koran demands this; submit or die. Sons and daughters of the prophet are quite busy.
Sorry about the length of this. I am bothered by disproportionate responses to issues. There seems to little balance any more. And it is rare to see a report(?) that is not a one sided advocacy piece.
The raghead Omar is right now getting an earful (just chants so far) from some (finally) woke Jews in LA where she probably thought the signallers would support her incitement of the terrorist organization CAIR’s chapter there.
As to protection from any possible enactments against our 2A rights, one extremely critical but often overlooked (and even supported by some of our own as a harmless “common sense” measure) is described and promoted in my comment at 10:53 pm in the 3/22 installment of DBD, in response to kadaka’s response to me.
Forget the old “boating accident” meme…this freedom from the grasp of gov specifically makes your right to access the NPA (National Private Armory) exempt to the defacto registration of firearms purchases from regulated dealers (FFL’s).
Gov agent: “We know you bought two AR-15 rifles serial nos. —– and —– with 30-rd magazines and two Glock G17’s serial nos. —— and —– with 17-rd magazines on these dates. We are here to seize them in accordance with the new federal ban on those weapons.”
You: “Oh, I sold those long ago.”
Gov agent: “When and to whom?”
You: “Gosh I don’t remember and didn’t write it down.”
Gov agent: “Grrr. Okay then.”
The above may be an improbable scenario but definitely is possible. And all of it is entirely within the scope (or outside the scope) of gov regulations, just as it has been forever. But while you may hear more noise from both sides about other infringements and attempted infringements, you rarely hear about this one other than as the so innocuous sounding term Universal Background Checks or Closing the gunshow and internet loopholes.
Implementation of UBCs would be a huge loss and step towards enforceable control. Don’t let them sweep this under the rug, and whenever an otherwise 2-A supporting acquaintance indicates support of it through virtue of the antis having successfully innoculated their thinking that this is just a measure to keep criminals from accessing guns, educate them and explain to that is just a ruse, bad guts get their guns through thefts while this loss of regulatory exemption is aimed directly at them to provide detailed information for the database that is absolutely being compiled with every FFL purchase.
It was Neville Chamberlain’s brother Austen who alluded this to the Chinese: “May you live in interesting times.”
And it is interesting, isn’t it? Greenies/ecohippies/whatever wanting us OFF the use of carbon to uh, clean up the atmosphere before the Earth explodes like an incendiary device (we have 12 years before taht happens), but not going after China to clean up its pollution. And people in Congo dying from the physical dangers of mining cobalt for steel production, while some genius has proposed using electricity to produce steel without coal, all to save the planet.
And now this bunch of Da Strange trying to take over Congress, all at once (yeah, they are)….
Well, as long as we know about it and don’t just blow it off as if it were some bad joke on a talk show, it isn’t that we’ll be safe from The Them. The more we know about them, the more prepared we are if they show up. Right?
Sorry, my typo – ‘mining cobalt for steel production’ is incorrect. Cobalt is mined for electric car production, not steel. My bad. But the electric furnace for refining iron ore into “steel” is being proposed.
Cobalt is used for High Speed Steel (HSS) cutting tools. And commercial electric arc furnaces for steelmaking have been around over a century, with induction furnaces being very popular. Cheaper plentiful hydroelectric energy brought that about.
Coal can be used with pure iron (malleable iron) to add the bit of carbon that makes it steel, too much carbon in steel makes cast iron, preferably after converting it to all-carbon coke. There are other carbon sources like petroleum coke and true charcoal made from wood.
March 24, 2019 at 1:33 pm
Joheim
I work at an FFL, and while each state does their own thing, and your state may require such a database and overreach, It is important to give the facts when discussing this. The Fed’s only requirement besides proper inventory control on our end, is we hold that 4473 paperwork locally for 20 years, that paperwork must be destroyed totally after that point, and if there is a 2A overreach, the crime of burning paper is the least of the many we as employees will be charged with (we all have firearms of our own at my store)
There is almost no way to know what magazine was sold with a gun, the 4473 doesn’t list/ the BATFE doesn’t require that information, and there is no law preventing any FFL from swapping in 10 rd mags if the customer requests it, if there was such a silly requirement, or you lived in/moved to a state with that restriction. so even if your gun’s serial # says the distributor shipped it with X mags, does not mean you left with X mags.
We can’t go back to pre 1968 gun laws, but we can lobby for and protest against over reach in the collection of information. while it isnt perfect, FFl’s having the 4473’s do actually prevent crime though. we get plenty of people who are by law banned from buying a gun for felonies coming in to try and purchase one anyway, generally by lying, or lack of memory of their offense being one of the disqualifying ones. The state police if necessary are generally there in 10 minutes or less to talk to and cite the person, or arrest them. and VA does all that with only knowing if the person wants a rifle shotgun, pistol or revolver and their ID info. That info is all deleted after 30 days, and cannot be recovered, courts have tried, as have the Feds supeona power, but there is no data trail to recover.
Joheim, as an FFL both directly and as an investor for nearly forty years I am well aware of the threat that dealers (defacto conscripted government agents themselves) feel they face from the NPA. After all they make 20 bucks and some up to 50 for processing a 4473 and NICS, and in a time when high volume online sellers combined with the Trump slump has squeezed margins to 5% or less, many generate more revenue from that function than from sales.
It is for that reason (not to stop bad guys from accessing guns, they get what want from the Midnight Supply while most NICS non-approvals are people who either didn’t know they were prohibited or are just trying to find out. Someone who knows they are not eligible is unlikely to choose to trigger a follow up by LE) that many dealers dislike private transactions whether at gun shows, one of the p2p websites or just one dude selling a gun to another locally…it’s a matter of protecting profit which is understandable so I feel ya. But it is necessary for real defenders of Constitutional rights to separate that patriotic pursuit from personal profit considerations. ANY infringement or removal of an existing right must be fought tooth and nail regardless if it costs a dealer some revenue; otherwise you become part of the group on the pro-gun side who consider the loss of the right to unregulated private transactions to be hunky dory.
When it comes to NICS I’m afraid your naivety and misplaced trust in the proven FIB’ers at the FIB agency is showing if you believe the powers that be give a rat’s ass about purging background approvals; those records exist in perpetuity like all cyber information and is certainly retrievable when/if it is “time”. It IS a database as I have said either by design or by default, and of course NA’s and certain other transactions go to a whole separate database for the follow up you mention with the forced cooperation of the FFL involved under threat of prosecution themselves.
Also you want to be sure you understand that 20-year thing for 4473’s is pretty much theoretical in practice; what is a dealer to do, destroy records that have been accumulated for that time as each one reaches it’s 20th birthday? Absurd. Too, most licensees don’t operate that long anyway so the great majority of them along with boundbooks go to the fed’s forever records warehouse when the business ends, or get passed to buyers of the business to either continue intact or sent in by them after transferring open inventory to their own record books since the license itself is not transferable. In fact as I said in the referenced comment exchange a few days ago, in all my years I have never heard of an FFL destroying records, not one, both as a practical matter and also likely some CYA since the penalties for making a mistake can be severe…why risk it?
If it seems you detect a healthy amount of skepticism and even a good dose of paranoia when it comes to trust and dealings with gov agencies in general and this one in particular -which as I have said forces private business into being their partners in crime (of course what they do IS criminal)- you are right. And as I am guessing you are a younger man you are quite certain to develop that attitude over time too.
Good luck in the business, it is hard and getting harder for independents to compete even without regulatory considerations; myself while I will always love firearms and the freedoms they represent, I will never hold an FFL again, due to my oldness, disillusionment, irritation at being forced into being a reluctant regulator, and because I have decided with probably 350 million functional firearms in private hands, the promotion of the National Private Armory and the vigorous defense of it will be my focus on firearms commerce going forward. YMMV.
Dude. How many AR platform rifles and full-size Glocks and similar do you think were shipped and bought by anyone anywhere other than as mandated in some unfortunate and un-American jurisdictions? And BTW of course manufacturers/wholesalers keep records of what they produce and sell and what accessories they include. Moot of course because most owners of them have a whole damn box of what are actually regular capacity magazines and cases of food to feed them. Even the fedgov boys know that. but they can only require (right) what was originally shipped. God help our Republic if it actually should come to the scenario I outlined above.
March 25, 2019 at 12:12 am
Joheim
JTC I appreciate your opinion and experiences with FFL issues and the system as a whole, it isnt fun, but our store has been doing this since 1965, so yes I have shredded and burned multiple stacks of 4473’s, so it does happen. you are right though that closing stores records go to ther national tracing center, which is a nasty loophole.
as to the database, if you caught my point, the VA NICS can’t be collated to a specific gun without the 4473, they dont get the serial number or even gun model. and while I have a healthy dose of skepticism of what is said/ vs what is done by BATFE, I have personal experience of their inability to pull that NICS data while we are in the middle. it frustrates them to no end, and it should stay that way tbh.
I would love to say this is a perfect world and every state is not a swamp, but I also don’t live in that bubble, but fighting for restricting the commercial BGC system to giving up only what is exactly necessary is a good goal, and feasible, potentially. More so then repealing the entire 1968 law in one go. UBGC’s can burn in a fire though. What laws we have if enforced cover what the control groups claim we need more of. Sadly arguing with facts vs their illogical bubble is never easy.
If the Supreme Court rules as precedence says they “should” the NFA should be gutted, that is step 1 of fixing what is broken.
lastly, while FFl transfers are a “thing” these days, we don’t do those unless it is in very specific circumstances like customers shipping guns to family in other states etc. Yes it loses us money, but it limits our liabilities and paperwork BS. I realize we are a minority in that regard, but not all FFL’s are just in it for the money. some unicorns exist in that regard.
March 24, 2019 at 1:50 pm
WayneM
Get yourself a hot mugga coffee and give this one a read…
I am of the conviction that there really is no difference between the young female fascists(D) and “moderate” older white Dims. Except the masks – the older white Dims have worn their masks for so long, they can’t imagine coming out of the closet and exposing what their real anti-American agenda is, and has always been. They are a generation of Dims who can listen to Jefferson Airplane’s “Volunteers” and still get epic wetdreams over the promise of a communist future. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SboRijhWFDU
Occasional Cortex and her entourage are merely the younger stupider version of exactly the same thing.
NO collusion, NO obstruction. At least on the part of the President and his people.
Collusion AND obstruction on the part of the partisans who triggered and pursued this shit for two years and with billions of your dollars OTOH…I’m on the Hell Yeah! side of full disclosure and publishing of Mueller’s report, to include EVERYTHING that brought it about. Can you Dims say Unintended Consequences? Maybe, but they don’t understand it, they are Dims. But let them get their full disclosure and they might.
But I am sure they will be forthcoming with their apologies for their evil pursuit and waste of treasure, and while they are at it they will probably acknowledge the progress in spite of all of it exceeding any seen before in my lifetime by an American Administration…today’s news alone includes but barely mentions, the complete destruction of organized activity by ISIS, and this:
Pretty sharp monologue there which the lady does not appear to be reading from a script…and she is right of course. OTOH we -and by we I mean sheep, minions, bought souls, and replacement voters- certainly can and might VOWITT and if any of those commie/muzzie bastards/bitches set foot in the Oval Office as president, civil war it will be.
JTC, I looked but couldn’t find any definition of VOWITT on any of the websites. Could you please enlighten this old fart as to what that stands for? TIA.
Jeff
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There ARE specifically enumerated laws against such. I’m sure somebody else will provide them. I’m just worn out.
New Zealand Goes Full Islam After Mosque Attacks
* New Zealand politicians, members of the media, and non-Muslim women embraced displays of Muslim faith Friday in an effort to show solidarity with the country’s Muslim community after the Christchurch shootings.
* Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern donned a hijab, along with thousands of other non-Muslim women, and recited a passage from the Koran at a ceremony in Hagley Park shortly before the Muslim call to prayer was broadcast nationwide.
* Despite overwhelming support for the #scarvesinsolidarity campaign, Muslim and non-Muslim critics lambasted it, arguing that hijabs are used to oppress women in Muslim majority countries.
I wonder what the lines were like at the government-sponsored FGM clinics.
I’m wondering when they’re going to open MGM clinics.
According to the logic of the virtue-signalling “gun guy” who turned in his “clean” SA rifle just to make sure it would never be used to harm anybody in the future, men like him should volunteer to have their willies bobbed just to make sure they would never be used to rape anybody in the future.
I’m trying but can’t come up with a time that Muslims marched in support of Jews, Christians, gay people, or Frenchmen. Anyone think of one?
Not exactly “marching in support of” but when a Jewish cemetery was desecrated in St Louis a couple years ago, there was a multi-religious clean up day, with Jews, Muslims, and Christians participating. Nobody likes to think of their dead being dishonored.
The “passage from the Koran” they recited…is that the one that converts to Islam recite to seal the deal? Did every woman in the nation of New Zealand just become Muslim?
There is good reasoning that the NZ “shooting”was a false flag operation, a hoax to strip away what few gun rights the Kiwis have left, and turn the country over to dihimmitude (sp?) and sharia “law” (koff! bs! koff!)
Since I’m on my kindle and typing, not copy-and-paste, I hope this works:
theferalirishman.blogspot.com/2019/03/another-shooting-hoax.html
http://theferalirishman.blogspot.com/2019/03/another-shooting-hoax.html
“How we know New Zealand mosque shooting video is a CGI fake”
O-kay… Conspiracy with fake CGI bodies and gunfire using fake guns to cause real gun confiscation. Interesting take.
That post is f-ing nuts. Thanks bud, I just downloaded a snuff film. People didn’t all just “fall like a sack of potatoes”, they were running and crawling away. The bullets did leave marks, with eruptions of red mist, as the maniac went back again and again to pump more bullets into the piles of bodies.
On half-speed you can see the “disappearing” casings at the sidewalk were flying behind the gate one way and over the curb out of view in the other, with other shiny casings lying about. And whatever shotgun loads he had in the car, could’ve been birdshot and he was having ammo problems, didn’t do well on a steeply angled shot against a tough windshield but quickly shattered a side window.
Only thing that “analysis” found is there’s a lot of gullible “truthers” out there.
Wealthy people in the US bought NZ land and built retreats in case of collapse of civilization. Rather like buying a bunker in Hiroshima, it appears.
Yup. I know a couple of widely-known Libertarians who renounced their US citizenship and moved to NZ to maximize their personal freedom.
D’oh!
Many of those wealthy folks consider themselves safer if all the guns in the hands of the public have been confiscated. Plus in NZ they’ve got relatively unspoiled islands with a very large, pacific moat between themselves and the deplorable undesirables.
Street corner prostitution is a free market trade for value given.
Political prostitution is a different creature, closer to sedition and treason, and should be punished accordingly.
“Politician Realignment Kit: Rope, Tall Tree or Lamppost, Political Prostitute Politician or Bureaucrat; some assembly required.”
I just finished reading Jon Ross’ “Unintended Consequences” on archive. org, and need to calm down.
UC is an interesting book. I acquired a signed copy while I did my CCW training with John.
Did you recognize any political figures in the book?
I had e-mail discussions with John a few years back. The woman Allen killed with the BATF agent’s gun (sorry, his name escapes me) was based on a real political person of the era. Who is now deceased.
Are you referring to the woman near the end? If so she shares first and last initials with John.
Can’t say that I feel sorry for those two “white supremacists”, but their being expelled from their committee(s) does not bode well for the rest of us citizens.
Oh, I disagree. The faster the mask comes off, the more obvious the definition of downrange becomes.
It seems like the regressive Progressives are making a power-play, thinking they’ve cowed the population enough to hand over the reins.
I hope the good folks of New Zealand recognize the danger and push back hard.
Maybe it is time The Māori do some house cleaning. It might be messy at first.
Welcome to “Night of the Long knives 2.0”.
Act got herself a front row seat.
With the Maoris, it might be Night of the Long Pig.
What, were all those old “WE ARE CHARLIE HEBDO” tee shirts at the dry cleaners?
Just a cartoon?? History is all about invasions. You got it, I want it.
The more you tighten your grip, (fill in the blank here), the more votes/people will slip through your fingers. – paraphrased, of course.
Outrageous panel, CM, but you drive the point home without using a sledgehammer.
I’ll just leave Hiram Mann’s observation here:
No man survives when freedom fails
The best men rot in filthy jails
And those who cried “Appease, appease”
Are hanged by those they sought to please.
Here in “God’s Country”, Oregon, our governor has asked a bill closely resembling what is proposed in NZ be put in the legislative hopper. She did this over two months ago. I do not like the idea that patently unconstitutional laws involving an enumerated right can even be put forward. I believe it to be a violation of their oath of office in which they swear to “… protect and defend …” the Constitution of the United States and of the state in which they live.
I am further disturbed that an obvious mad man can go to another country, Australia to New Zealand, lie on his firearms application form, self defense is a disqualifier for ownership in NZ, post a letter stating why he did what he did and laying out the consequences he expected to provoke by his actions, civil war, and have the government do everything he wanted… except for publishing his name.
As to his punishment: western civilization is far too “civilized” to treat this … thing the way its crime deserves. A friend has a just and proper idea: contact ISIS or any of the muslim states and ask if they’d like to take care of the issue. They have some crude, but effective, thoughts on how to deal with this sort.
As far as the attack itself, why is the western world so concerned about this attack? Christians and other not muslims, infidels, have been attacked by adherents to the prophet for generations. Since 9/11 over 90,000 Christians have been butchered in parts of Africa alone. You barely hear of this. Muslims have active fights going with literally every other religion across the globe. The Quran/Koran demands this; submit or die. Sons and daughters of the prophet are quite busy.
Sorry about the length of this. I am bothered by disproportionate responses to issues. There seems to little balance any more. And it is rare to see a report(?) that is not a one sided advocacy piece.
Well Done Mr. Muir!
The snake in the hijab speaking into the ears of Eve!
NZ biting the apple.
Next they get killed or enslaved instead of tossed out.
Probably the most perfect summation of modern liberalism, feminism, and identity politics ever.
Well done, Chris
Sad, pathetic and so true.
What was it Stalin said? “The capitalists would sell me the rope to hang them with” or something like that.
These white limo liberals probably have no clue they are on the elimination list just like us grumpy old straight white men.
The raghead Omar is right now getting an earful (just chants so far) from some (finally) woke Jews in LA where she probably thought the signallers would support her incitement of the terrorist organization CAIR’s chapter there.
NEVER AGAIN! PREACH IT FAR AND WIDE!
As to protection from any possible enactments against our 2A rights, one extremely critical but often overlooked (and even supported by some of our own as a harmless “common sense” measure) is described and promoted in my comment at 10:53 pm in the 3/22 installment of DBD, in response to kadaka’s response to me.
Forget the old “boating accident” meme…this freedom from the grasp of gov specifically makes your right to access the NPA (National Private Armory) exempt to the defacto registration of firearms purchases from regulated dealers (FFL’s).
Gov agent: “We know you bought two AR-15 rifles serial nos. —– and —– with 30-rd magazines and two Glock G17’s serial nos. —— and —– with 17-rd magazines on these dates. We are here to seize them in accordance with the new federal ban on those weapons.”
You: “Oh, I sold those long ago.”
Gov agent: “When and to whom?”
You: “Gosh I don’t remember and didn’t write it down.”
Gov agent: “Grrr. Okay then.”
The above may be an improbable scenario but definitely is possible. And all of it is entirely within the scope (or outside the scope) of gov regulations, just as it has been forever. But while you may hear more noise from both sides about other infringements and attempted infringements, you rarely hear about this one other than as the so innocuous sounding term Universal Background Checks or Closing the gunshow and internet loopholes.
Implementation of UBCs would be a huge loss and step towards enforceable control. Don’t let them sweep this under the rug, and whenever an otherwise 2-A supporting acquaintance indicates support of it through virtue of the antis having successfully innoculated their thinking that this is just a measure to keep criminals from accessing guns, educate them and explain to that is just a ruse, bad guts get their guns through thefts while this loss of regulatory exemption is aimed directly at them to provide detailed information for the database that is absolutely being compiled with every FFL purchase.
Shit another frickin’ novella…sorry Chris.
File under WTF: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/03/new-zealand-music-festival-evacuated-because-someone-claimed-another-attendee-had-a-right-wing-tattoo/
It was Neville Chamberlain’s brother Austen who alluded this to the Chinese: “May you live in interesting times.”
And it is interesting, isn’t it? Greenies/ecohippies/whatever wanting us OFF the use of carbon to uh, clean up the atmosphere before the Earth explodes like an incendiary device (we have 12 years before taht happens), but not going after China to clean up its pollution. And people in Congo dying from the physical dangers of mining cobalt for steel production, while some genius has proposed using electricity to produce steel without coal, all to save the planet.
And now this bunch of Da Strange trying to take over Congress, all at once (yeah, they are)….
Well, as long as we know about it and don’t just blow it off as if it were some bad joke on a talk show, it isn’t that we’ll be safe from The Them. The more we know about them, the more prepared we are if they show up. Right?
Sorry, my typo – ‘mining cobalt for steel production’ is incorrect. Cobalt is mined for electric car production, not steel. My bad. But the electric furnace for refining iron ore into “steel” is being proposed.
Cobalt is used for High Speed Steel (HSS) cutting tools. And commercial electric arc furnaces for steelmaking have been around over a century, with induction furnaces being very popular. Cheaper plentiful hydroelectric energy brought that about.
Coal can be used with pure iron (malleable iron) to add the bit of carbon that makes it steel, too much carbon in steel makes cast iron, preferably after converting it to all-carbon coke. There are other carbon sources like petroleum coke and true charcoal made from wood.
I work at an FFL, and while each state does their own thing, and your state may require such a database and overreach, It is important to give the facts when discussing this. The Fed’s only requirement besides proper inventory control on our end, is we hold that 4473 paperwork locally for 20 years, that paperwork must be destroyed totally after that point, and if there is a 2A overreach, the crime of burning paper is the least of the many we as employees will be charged with (we all have firearms of our own at my store)
There is almost no way to know what magazine was sold with a gun, the 4473 doesn’t list/ the BATFE doesn’t require that information, and there is no law preventing any FFL from swapping in 10 rd mags if the customer requests it, if there was such a silly requirement, or you lived in/moved to a state with that restriction. so even if your gun’s serial # says the distributor shipped it with X mags, does not mean you left with X mags.
We can’t go back to pre 1968 gun laws, but we can lobby for and protest against over reach in the collection of information. while it isnt perfect, FFl’s having the 4473’s do actually prevent crime though. we get plenty of people who are by law banned from buying a gun for felonies coming in to try and purchase one anyway, generally by lying, or lack of memory of their offense being one of the disqualifying ones. The state police if necessary are generally there in 10 minutes or less to talk to and cite the person, or arrest them. and VA does all that with only knowing if the person wants a rifle shotgun, pistol or revolver and their ID info. That info is all deleted after 30 days, and cannot be recovered, courts have tried, as have the Feds supeona power, but there is no data trail to recover.
Not a perfect system, but nothing is.
Joheim,
You wrote: We can’t go back to pre 1968 gun laws….
Going back to pre-1968 is still Unconstitutional. We need to go back to the pre-1934 laws in this country regarding arms.
Joheim, as an FFL both directly and as an investor for nearly forty years I am well aware of the threat that dealers (defacto conscripted government agents themselves) feel they face from the NPA. After all they make 20 bucks and some up to 50 for processing a 4473 and NICS, and in a time when high volume online sellers combined with the Trump slump has squeezed margins to 5% or less, many generate more revenue from that function than from sales.
It is for that reason (not to stop bad guys from accessing guns, they get what want from the Midnight Supply while most NICS non-approvals are people who either didn’t know they were prohibited or are just trying to find out. Someone who knows they are not eligible is unlikely to choose to trigger a follow up by LE) that many dealers dislike private transactions whether at gun shows, one of the p2p websites or just one dude selling a gun to another locally…it’s a matter of protecting profit which is understandable so I feel ya. But it is necessary for real defenders of Constitutional rights to separate that patriotic pursuit from personal profit considerations. ANY infringement or removal of an existing right must be fought tooth and nail regardless if it costs a dealer some revenue; otherwise you become part of the group on the pro-gun side who consider the loss of the right to unregulated private transactions to be hunky dory.
When it comes to NICS I’m afraid your naivety and misplaced trust in the proven FIB’ers at the FIB agency is showing if you believe the powers that be give a rat’s ass about purging background approvals; those records exist in perpetuity like all cyber information and is certainly retrievable when/if it is “time”. It IS a database as I have said either by design or by default, and of course NA’s and certain other transactions go to a whole separate database for the follow up you mention with the forced cooperation of the FFL involved under threat of prosecution themselves.
Also you want to be sure you understand that 20-year thing for 4473’s is pretty much theoretical in practice; what is a dealer to do, destroy records that have been accumulated for that time as each one reaches it’s 20th birthday? Absurd. Too, most licensees don’t operate that long anyway so the great majority of them along with boundbooks go to the fed’s forever records warehouse when the business ends, or get passed to buyers of the business to either continue intact or sent in by them after transferring open inventory to their own record books since the license itself is not transferable. In fact as I said in the referenced comment exchange a few days ago, in all my years I have never heard of an FFL destroying records, not one, both as a practical matter and also likely some CYA since the penalties for making a mistake can be severe…why risk it?
If it seems you detect a healthy amount of skepticism and even a good dose of paranoia when it comes to trust and dealings with gov agencies in general and this one in particular -which as I have said forces private business into being their partners in crime (of course what they do IS criminal)- you are right. And as I am guessing you are a younger man you are quite certain to develop that attitude over time too.
Good luck in the business, it is hard and getting harder for independents to compete even without regulatory considerations; myself while I will always love firearms and the freedoms they represent, I will never hold an FFL again, due to my oldness, disillusionment, irritation at being forced into being a reluctant regulator, and because I have decided with probably 350 million functional firearms in private hands, the promotion of the National Private Armory and the vigorous defense of it will be my focus on firearms commerce going forward. YMMV.
Oh, and as to “high-capacity” magazines?
Dude. How many AR platform rifles and full-size Glocks and similar do you think were shipped and bought by anyone anywhere other than as mandated in some unfortunate and un-American jurisdictions? And BTW of course manufacturers/wholesalers keep records of what they produce and sell and what accessories they include. Moot of course because most owners of them have a whole damn box of what are actually regular capacity magazines and cases of food to feed them. Even the fedgov boys know that. but they can only require (right) what was originally shipped. God help our Republic if it actually should come to the scenario I outlined above.
JTC I appreciate your opinion and experiences with FFL issues and the system as a whole, it isnt fun, but our store has been doing this since 1965, so yes I have shredded and burned multiple stacks of 4473’s, so it does happen. you are right though that closing stores records go to ther national tracing center, which is a nasty loophole.
as to the database, if you caught my point, the VA NICS can’t be collated to a specific gun without the 4473, they dont get the serial number or even gun model. and while I have a healthy dose of skepticism of what is said/ vs what is done by BATFE, I have personal experience of their inability to pull that NICS data while we are in the middle. it frustrates them to no end, and it should stay that way tbh.
I would love to say this is a perfect world and every state is not a swamp, but I also don’t live in that bubble, but fighting for restricting the commercial BGC system to giving up only what is exactly necessary is a good goal, and feasible, potentially. More so then repealing the entire 1968 law in one go. UBGC’s can burn in a fire though. What laws we have if enforced cover what the control groups claim we need more of. Sadly arguing with facts vs their illogical bubble is never easy.
If the Supreme Court rules as precedence says they “should” the NFA should be gutted, that is step 1 of fixing what is broken.
lastly, while FFl transfers are a “thing” these days, we don’t do those unless it is in very specific circumstances like customers shipping guns to family in other states etc. Yes it loses us money, but it limits our liabilities and paperwork BS. I realize we are a minority in that regard, but not all FFL’s are just in it for the money. some unicorns exist in that regard.
Get yourself a hot mugga coffee and give this one a read…
https://culttture.com/2019/nick-monroe-censorship-causes-radicalism/
I am of the conviction that there really is no difference between the young female fascists(D) and “moderate” older white Dims. Except the masks – the older white Dims have worn their masks for so long, they can’t imagine coming out of the closet and exposing what their real anti-American agenda is, and has always been. They are a generation of Dims who can listen to Jefferson Airplane’s “Volunteers” and still get epic wetdreams over the promise of a communist future. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SboRijhWFDU
Occasional Cortex and her entourage are merely the younger stupider version of exactly the same thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGbg2w_cExA
All this talk of masks…
This from Reuters: http://news.trust.org/item/20190324193542-i87ff
So there was no collusion with Russia….
Can we move on now? (No!!! We MUST find it. It’s here somewhere! I can almost touch it!!!)
Can I send these clowns a bill for the tax money that they got from me in their paychecks? Just askin’.
AG Barr letter is out — no collusion by Trump or anyone else connected with him. No obstruction of justice.
Bigotry against any group always begins with the belief “You can’t -really- be prejudiced against them, because….”
The sentence is finished with either “…because they really are inferior” or “…because they hold all the money and power.”
It’s clear which of the two is being used now.
NO collusion, NO obstruction. At least on the part of the President and his people.
Collusion AND obstruction on the part of the partisans who triggered and pursued this shit for two years and with billions of your dollars OTOH…I’m on the Hell Yeah! side of full disclosure and publishing of Mueller’s report, to include EVERYTHING that brought it about. Can you Dims say Unintended Consequences? Maybe, but they don’t understand it, they are Dims. But let them get their full disclosure and they might.
But I am sure they will be forthcoming with their apologies for their evil pursuit and waste of treasure, and while they are at it they will probably acknowledge the progress in spite of all of it exceeding any seen before in my lifetime by an American Administration…today’s news alone includes but barely mentions, the complete destruction of organized activity by ISIS, and this:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/china-pledges-openness-in-hopes-of-reaching-a-trade-deal/ar-BBVaxX5?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=mailsignout
Our elected CEO has stared those commie motherfuckers down and beat them at their own game, they are whimpering and begging for another chance.
And so much more accomplished and to be accomplished. Way to go PDJT and Deplorables everywhere.
TINVOWOOT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDPQGvsHV5g
Pretty sharp monologue there which the lady does not appear to be reading from a script…and she is right of course. OTOH we -and by we I mean sheep, minions, bought souls, and replacement voters- certainly can and might VOWITT and if any of those commie/muzzie bastards/bitches set foot in the Oval Office as president, civil war it will be.
BTW, that hair tone seems eerily familiar… 😉
NYC
JTC, I looked but couldn’t find any definition of VOWITT on any of the websites. Could you please enlighten this old fart as to what that stands for? TIA.
Jeff
“Unintended Consequences”. Superb novel. Prophecy?