Nimruz Province, the southwest corner, bordering Iraq and Iran. Lots of smuggling, drugs and otherwise.
If you had to pick one spot on this planet where centuries from now you’d see a spontaneous recreation of the Star Wars cantina scene… Hope they know to shoot first.
The world is a bizarre and dangerous place… and the USA has been a beacon of freedom since the Founders wrote the Constitution…
Although I’m not a fan of isolationist policies, I do firmly believe charity starts at home. Those who are heavily indebted have no business running around the world throwing money at problems… I’m glad Trump is reeling it back in…
With any amount of luck, the assorted boondoggles & shenanigans being exposed in Canada will persuade the voters to dump Prime Minister Little Potato (gosh his hair is perfect) and destroy the Liberal Party of Canada… so we can start Making Canada Great for the first time since Trudeau the Elder fucked things up royally back in the 1970s…
You’re moving Canada’s capital to Edmonton so the politicians will be surrounded by normal Canadians and making Doug Ford the new Prime Minister. That should do it, eh?
Moving Canada’s capital from Ottawa to Edmonton
Is that something real? I can’t find anything about it online.
April 13, 2019 at 7:06 am
kadaka
It should be! I’ve heard many a real Canadian grouse about those stuck-up elitist Quebeckers pushing everyone around and punishing provinces like Alberta who dare to collide with their Green Socialist utopian wet dreams. Move the capital to someplace sane with normal people.
April 13, 2019 at 9:04 am
MAJ Arkay
The capital is in Ontario. So how are the Quebeckers in charge?
April 13, 2019 at 10:17 am
interventor
Polls show Alberta with the highest percentage of voters who desire to leave Canada and join the SA.
April 13, 2019 at 10:31 am
NORMAN HUGHES
MAJ Arkay,
2015 – NOW PM J Trudeau, Quebec
2003-2006 PM P Martin, Quebec
1993-2003 PM J Chrétien, Quebec
1984-1993 PM B Mulroney, Quebec
1980-1984 PM P Trudeau, Quebec
1968-1979 PM P Trudeau, Quebec
1948-1957 PM L St. Laurent, Quebec
In the same vein, we need to move the capital of the US to Kansas.
April 13, 2019 at 10:29 pm
WayneM
The concept of watching leftist heads across Canada explode from either moving the nation’s capital designation to Edmonton OR putting Doug Ford in charge… I’ll drink to that! A dram of my finest!!
After Obama and friends they will run into a lot of the same people.
How many people from Mogadishu and “Black Hawk Down” who were shooting at our people are here now?
I am asking because I don’t know. Likely neither does anyone else. But that culture is here, and it is the same. The purported “Magic Soil” of the USA does not change anyone from one culture to another. They are here now. Thank Obama, Hillary, Soros, Schumer, Pelosi, Frank, Junkers, Sutherland, UN, and many others. And have any woman try to take a walk by herself in many areas of Europe these days. And some places here.
They should not be there.
No Afghans should have ever been admitted into the USA. Social cultural Justice.
“Afghanistan” is what happens when you look at many different tribes and clans that usually will tolerate each other at best, spread over different terrains that may be completely isolated for months on end, and tell yourself this vast territory has to be a single unified nation with a central government. So it’s kinda hard to talk about Afghanis like they’re all the same.
Besides, we have their blankets, carpets, and hounds. Why not the people?
April 13, 2019 at 4:06 am
NotYetInACamp
Many of those groups have a culture of war. They have lived thus since before Alexander the Great passed through. Many of them do not think of things as we do. They live to fight and kill. They will survive under horrible conditions (that would tax most of our best) and be concentrating on the aspect of honor that brings them to kill someone or those they believe that they should kill. Our social constructs mean nothing to most of them. it is a culture to be admired from afar and kept out of the areas that no longer can deal with those like that on a day to day basis. There are always differences that make the rule. There are differences there since the Soviets began their insanity followed by ours. I believe the Chinese are trying to stay out of the way while they take dirt and rocks out of the earth. Rare earth mainly. they h ave upgraded their weapons since the last time they upgraded them by taking them off those who brought them in.
They have a diversity across it, just as Europeans have way over 150 cultures, tribes, or nations easily discernible in Europe.
What Afghanistan is is why our own nation is being subjected to a population replacement. I used to make up that Mao said that a nations strength is its people, and that th people of the USA must be replaced in order to defeat them. then the whole gun behind every blade of grass thing from WW2 Japanese Admiral Yamamoto. Little did I know then that invasion, emigration, hijrah, push others in, has been a form of warfare used for millenniums.
I had ancestors in a tribe that moved around Eurasia until they settled in Europe.
The Afghans (many, most?) still live by those old rules, plus a few new ones.
Sharia is one reason why not the people. They do not mix culturally. Those Iranians and other Muslims friends used to have as friends have all gone silent since the influx of Sharia followers have entered the USA. No more meeting up with them. No phone calls returned. The threat that those who follow Sharia will kill them has ended any melting pot concept concerning Sharia followers and the Muslims they feel obligated to do to what Sharia demands. It is a threat that has worked with many. All Muslims stand on ground that Islam and Sharia has conquered, or plans to conquer. Islam has not changed. There is no Enlightenment in Islam. Only sometimes people getting along with Dhiminis for a long time. Muslims tend to take a country towards completely Islam. Ask so many Islamic nations. See how they have changed over time. Lebanon was, in memory, a Christian majority nation. So went Kosovo. So is planned for Europe and the world. Islam was just kicked out of most of Europe in the early 1900’s after cetturies of battles after Islam conquered many areas and took many slaves and tribute and plunder.
Why not the people? Because their people demand that we surrender to their “superior” culture or be killed. Not all at once if not possible, but eventually. Sharia is a plan and rules to accomplish that.
We are all people. Yet we are all different. Afghans are people too. People that do not belong in the USA, as a rule. There are complexities to all interaction. But one does not invite in that which makes you weaker.
This is not like Hungary inviting the Saxons into Hungary and the Saxons living in an autonomous region for about 150 years.
The differences are too great. Things like Pulse will happen. Or the3 person who stole a truck recently intending on killing many infidels.
Family have known some of the (money) richest Muslims. They advocate and believe in the hijrah to conquer the world for Islam. They all know it since children.
Look at the faces of those who are in enemy territory, the West, they have those smiles knowing that they are dealing with people that they are conquering, and they push it all they can in every way possible. The Muslims are here, they say. And they come to conquer the inferiors, so they believe.
Why the FECK are we (and were the Soviets before us) doing in the “rock pile” in the first place? OK, so I understand (kinda, sorta) why we supplied arms to various Afghani groups. Those people have a warrior culture and were gonna fight the Soviets anyhow, so why not give them a little more sting? What I want to know is why WE are there RIGHT FEKKING NOW?!?!?!?!
They don’t want us there and we don’t belong there. Sounds like a perfect match! If Putin wants another try at ’em I say “Let him have it!” We have no business being there. Heinlein was right, people do get the government they deserve. That includes us if we fail to heed Franklin’s warning. If we get overly “democratic” we FEKKING DESERVE to live in the marvelous “People’s Republic” Kurt Schlichter writes about in his(so far three) Kelly Turnbull novels.
April 13, 2019 at 6:46 am
TOXIC DASTARDLY DAN
What are we doing in Afghanistan?
Assigned viewing “Charlie Wilson’s War” 2007
April 13, 2019 at 8:28 am
Chris Muir
All Muslims are incompatible with our Constitution and BOR.Period.
The choices aren’t only total isolationism on one side and total immersion into every other nation’s affairs on the other. There IS something between total occupation and nation building and bringing our troops home and lining them up shoulder to shoulder on the border.
Our isolationism in the 30s was absolutely valid. With the exception of the 19th century, Europe was wont to have a major destructive war practically every generation. WWI was just that. We got involved and thought we had put paid to the European Cycle of Stupidity once and for all. You’ll have to excuse us for not wanting to get involved a mere 21 years later in another exercise in European idiocy after we had put out a grand effort to fight The War To End All Wars less than a generation before.
When they come begging to us to save them from their multicultural diversity experiment, I say we sit it out.
As I believe someone pointed out “Common Sense isn’t common.”
Since entangling alliances and isolationism don’t work, that pretty much leaves Decisive Retaliation.
When we conquered Afghanistan to destroy Al Qaeda we should have withdrawn immediately once they were gone. Then if Al Qaeda returned we do it again. As insane as that seems, eventually the natives will catch on that the only reason the Americans are here is because Al Qaeda is here. Only then will Al Qaeda become persona non grata and we get the peace we want.
April 13, 2019 at 10:58 pm
NotYetInACamp
We had accomplished all we could hope to accomplish militarily almost immediately. We could have left Afghanistan to the Afghans right then. We would have left with the respect of many across the world including many Muslims and Afghans. We would have left with honor in our own eyes and in the eyes of many in Afghanistan and around the world.
Others, sociopaths, with different agendas than those of the people of the USA had control, and what happened and what we have now is still within what those with power desired.
Foreign entanglements have control of much of the empire. Cash has bought way too much. Keep thinking and doing what needs to be done to do what the USA means to its people and to defend the Constitution.
April 14, 2019 at 7:37 am
CactoBlaster
John, re: “eventually the natives will….” , won’t work. These folks don”t think like we do. Ethnocentric points of view do not apply here. Nor did they apply in RVN, Our only alternative is to minimize the damage done to our own culture and civilization, then try to get on with life. And, yes, charity should begin at home. We cannot succeed in our efforts to solve the problems of others by making the rest of the world behave like we do, Altruism just doesn’t apply in this scenario. Just sayin’
April 13, 2019 at 6:58 am
Old Codger
Excuse me. Pulling our troops back in from the four corners of the globe does not necessarily equate to isolationism.Whe the FECK are we to be making ourselves a global police force anyhow? We can trade with whomever we want. We just don’t need to be garrisoning all the lands we fought in the better part of THREE QUARTERS OF A CENTURY AGO! The Empire of Japan didn’t attack us at Pearl Harbor because we were isolationists, they attacked us because we WEREN’T! If we hadn’t been meddling in Pacific Rim politics they never would have attacked us unless, as some believe, December 7th was payback of a slight to the Shogun a century and more earlier.
What is so wrong with minding our own business and letting the rest of the world mind theirs? It works quite well for the Swiss. How much would we save by shutting down our overseas garrisons and bringing our troops home? I have no idea why the alleged “Department of Defense” cannot be put to work defending our southern border. Nobody is set up to project force across the Atlantic, much less the Pacific. If the barstids want a piece of us I say “Let them come!” There may not be a rifle behind every blade of grass but there’d damned well one behind every tree!
Not a great comparison. Switzerland is protected from attack by so many politicians having bank accounts there. Any one nation attacking will be met by five or more whose leaders are protecting their own assets “for the greater good”.
Bank accounts, plus educating the children of the elite. Soviet sent their kids there. The present Kim of North Korea was educated there. When, the Soviet Union went under, many of politburo and upper echelon apparatchiki fled to Brazil, financed by those accounts. Bought seaside villas. Many were available as their German owners had passed away.
April 13, 2019 at 7:35 am
eon
During the Raj in British India, the British Indian Army fought three wars with the Afghan tribes, or Afridi as they were called. They even made one attempt to establish a permanent presence at Kabul in 1841-42, that ended with the Little Big Horn-like massacre of 4500 British troops and about three times as many civilians. (Look up “Elphinstone, 44th Regiment of Foot.”)
Finally, in 1921, after the last British-Afghan War had finally ended (It had begun in 1912 and lasted right through WW1), the British gave up. They withdrew all troops to the then-Indian border (now it’s the border with Pakistan), and told the tribes this;
“We don’t care what you do to each other. Just keep it on your side of the border. If you raid or whatever on our side, we will come with everything we have to hunt you down and kill you, your families, and your entire tribe. And you know that the other tribes will tell us who did it, and where you are.”
That was the sum total of British “nation building” in Afghanistan until 2001. It was apparently the only “policy” that survived every change of government from Tory to Conservative to Labour unchanged for eighty years or so.
After 9/11, the British, God bless them, joined us in going after the bastards. But they, and we, forgot the basic lesson of dealing with Muslims generally, Islamists specifically, and Afghanistan in particular.
Don’t try to “civilize” them. Do as little “business” with them as possible. And if attacked by them (which is apparently something they do as instinctively as breathing), find the perpetrators, kill them, and leave.
And certainly do not invite them into your country. Let alone make them government officials of your country.
As the old couplet goes,
“East is East, and West is West,
And never the twain shall meet.”
In the case of Islam, it’s probably better for all concerned if it stays that way.
Damn straight….the gaul and arrogance of westerners to think they can change what has been the culture for 6-7,000 years….these people are barely out of the stone age and we want to domesticate them….same with the entire middle east….
“…if attacked by them, find the perpetrators, kill them, and leave.”
Where was that wisdom when George the lesser got his mandate on along about 2008? How much treasure, how many good men’s lives would we have saved by heeding it?
Back in 2003, I said (on strategypage.com) that if we went into Afghanistan and didn’t find Bin Laden and his thugs within two months, he was already gone. So there was no point in staying longer than that.
The fact that we finally got him eight years later in a safe house in Pakistan rather proves the point.
And BTW, my observation was borrowed from one made by John Glubb (1897-1986), regarding how long it took to get results there. And he was doing it in a time before satellite communications and recon, computers, and etc.
Glubb Pasha knew a thing or two about the territory and its people.
Oh I know that wisdom -we could really just call it obvious common sense- but unfortunately it was not where it was most needed from then until 2016, still withholding judgement post that.
The reference to the ’04 re-election was the quote from little George about the “mandate” he felt he received in a landslide victory against that horseface valor thief Kerry. Hard one to lose, but still of course I and most Americans supported him.
Problem of course is that his mission shifted from the one he was mandated to accomplish, the pursuit and destruction of those responsible for an attack similar to and in my view worse than, the Japs at Pearl Habor, and became about avenging his daddy’s failure to finish off the irrelevant Hussein and pissing away billions of our dollars and the lives of thousands of our boys in a campaign of “nation building” and bringing these poor peoples into the modern world that they have rejected for hundreds of years…a stupid failed misguided campaign completely devoid of American interests that has continued from then until now.
“Oh I know that wisdom -we could really just call it obvious common sense- *was out here in the real world* but unfortunately etc. etc.”
April 13, 2019 at 7:55 am
Delilah T.
Islam is just an excuse for killing off your neighbors. The hill tribes in Afgjamistan have done this for centuries, back before Alexander wound his way through there and centuries before islam was even an idea. They’ve never done anything else. They claim they kicked him out. Hogwash. He was on his way to India. He didn’t care about them. If you think it’s about sharia, think again. It’s about killing off anyone not like you. Sharia is just the excuse.
The Soviet Union went bankrupt trying to annex Afghanistan, so bankrupt that at its worst, Soviet military were paid about 2 rubles a week. If you don’t remember Gorbachev’s announcement that the USSR was bankrupt and the Politburo was dissolved, you’re looking at the wrong stuff.
And yeah, they’d like to do the same to the USA – bankrupt us and push us into the dissolution of a strong nation, but it ain’t gonna happen. Got that? Why do you think Trump was elected? To put on a TV show? His election has lit a fire under all the slop that was muddling around at the bottom of the pot. Now it’s at the top, floating around like the scum it is, and you’re all watching it and wondering why it’s such a surprise.
They can have that blankblankhole they live in. They haven’t had an original idea since before Moses crossed the Sinai after Santorini erupted and wiped out Minaon civilization, and they never will. All they care about is squabbling with each other, so let them. The Chinese are “managing” the UJighurs, another hill tribe Muslim group, in western China. Let them throw their resources at that blankblankhole. At some point, it will end. ISIS is dead and the Taliban are taking over again, and I just do not give a crap. Maybe it’s time we said ‘bye-bye’ and put our resources to work for us.
Unfortunately, there are enough of those fustercluckers here to start a shooting war in a neighborhood, just like Chicago used to have before the projects were demolished. I think we should let them just kill each other off.
And FWIW, if I’m in the bathroom doing something important, I don’t answer the phone, either. 🙂 Just sayin’.
If we pull out of Astan who will protect out opium fields? It is immoral to bring fermented alcohol but permissable to grow opium poppies?
We have enough problems in our country without importing chains of relations from every sinkhole on the planet.
Who decides which culture is better and how did they become the arbiter of the nation, why do we let the Eloi of the coastal plains import savages to the Heartland and profit from it?
Ask Ted Kennedy. That fat, drunk old lecher was the reason we quit focusing on skilled Europeans and started importing the third world into the US in the 60s.
He carried the water for the Senator that wrote the immigration law and of the people supporting it. liberal Democrat Senator Ted Kennedy was just following orders for the rest of his life.
Our destruction had been planned way before that. Some believe in their multi generational Great Cause.
April 13, 2019 at 4:08 pm
GWB
It’s permissible for muslims to provide poison to the infidel, just not to ingest it themselves. The market for the poppy crop is places like Europe and the US, not the muslim people. Or at least that’s what they tell themselves.
So, it’s all good. *eyeroll*
It’s way past time to stop fighting wars aboard and defend our borders against invaders. It may depends on our schooling or as some note, indoctrination by the manipulation of history/facts that our wars are necessary and has nothing to do with Blow Back from having military bases in 40 countries and US military in many more.
Some may not like these points mentioned in the same post .
It’s said that in the 242 years since 1776 the American government, the Nation of Peace, had used it’s citizens to fight others for 221 year with only 21 calendar years of peace. A Peaceful Nation?
Islam been at war/fighting for the whole of it’s existence, 1420 years. The Religion of Peace?
When you’re wounded and left on Afghanistan’s plains, and the women come out to cut up what remains, jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains and go to your gawd like a soldier.
We were acting honorably by Afghan standards in the beginning by retaliating against those who attacked us.
We have stayed too long. We have no moral honor to be there now by their thousands of years standards
April 13, 2019 at 11:27 pm
NotYetInACamp
Individual soldiers are oft considered separately from our nation’s behavior by their standards. They are different from us.
April 13, 2019 at 10:32 am
interventor
Russia went into Afghanistan as a modern Great Game gambit. They thought it would be rather easy. Next move would have been Pakistan for the Khyber Pass, gaining access to a warm water port that Russia has desired since the time of the czars.
This is real and compelling analysis, and something we need to keep in mind considering the nature of the Deep State and any change in the Constitution we might consider.
P.S.
I am not the “John” above who submitted the GF articles.
John, TYVM
Well for clarity’s sake you can add an initial or number to your handle. At worst someone will think you’re referencing a Bible chapter, so pick a good one.
April 13, 2019 at 11:48 am
Kafiroon
So far, there has been more intelligent thought and comment here on this one strip Chris made than expressed in all DC since the signing of the Constitution.
Politicians, presstitutes, including the regurgitating heads, narcissistic article writers, and any groups I missed.
Are they not all “educated” at a small group of “elite” schools?
Obviously we are deluded to think they are our best and brightest. They are the ones that get us and keep us in these positions. Were cannon fodder, peons, no consequence. Two sets of Law. You lose.
I think we had to go after Osama bin-Laden (then in Afghanistan) and his hosts. It would have been best to leave after after he was killed. (Yes, I recall he was hiding out in Pakistan and killed there, but he was the main reason for our being in Afghanistan.)
Whenever if read about Afghanistan, I am reminded that one of their titles/epithets in the West is “Graveyard of Nations”
Very good and impassioned discussion. However we must realize that we are in a two front war now. The Left has joined with the Islamists to take down the constitutional republic.
Fellow travelers join up to do that which is a common goal. When that goal of destruction is reached, then they turn on each other and the most ruthless and brutal will win. Not to many Bolsheviks survived after the Russian Revolution.
Enemies foreign and domestic. We are getting into Stage 4 cancer as a nation. If we want to win and survive we must know our mind and our enemy’s mind. Things are heading toward the tipping point. It’s that bad, folks.
The “drive” is far more insidious than you might think, and it is both the destroyer of nations and the reason Western Civilization is both imperiled and successful.
The key is to recognize that _all_ life including the human, is driven to survive and procreate. The virus does this by massive replication. Humans do it by gaming the system, _whatever_ that system might be.
Thus, the Soviet Union was gamed to death by the perpetual onslaught of its citizens striving to get a bigger piece of the action. Meanwhile in the US we steer this imperative by way of the law to allow people to serve each other by way of commerce, which in turn is able to follow a Darwinian model that allows for creative destruction.
The success of Western Civilization, indeed its very foundation, rests on the pillars of both Judeo-Christian morality and Greek Reasoning. Either one alone is not enough. We weaken either at our peril.
Just a note: the people who have referred to “sanctuary cities” (and it starts with “Dem”) as the place for [illegal] ‘migrants’ are squawking loudly now because Pres. Trump has announced that those are the places the ‘migrants’ should (will) end up.
Is this the “clever stuff” biting the hand that fed it? Just askin’.
After seeing so many Muslim women with far less cumbersome head coverings, even simple scarves, I’m starting to wonder if Ilhan Omar’s structured “face tunnel” is hiding a neck holster. Seriously, she could be hiding a Semtex neck brace under that thing. And when the metal detector goes off “That’s just my jewelry!” and further inspection would be a racist attack on her religion etc.
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Nimruz Province, the southwest corner, bordering Iraq and Iran. Lots of smuggling, drugs and otherwise.
If you had to pick one spot on this planet where centuries from now you’d see a spontaneous recreation of the Star Wars cantina scene… Hope they know to shoot first.
The world is a bizarre and dangerous place… and the USA has been a beacon of freedom since the Founders wrote the Constitution…
Although I’m not a fan of isolationist policies, I do firmly believe charity starts at home. Those who are heavily indebted have no business running around the world throwing money at problems… I’m glad Trump is reeling it back in…
With any amount of luck, the assorted boondoggles & shenanigans being exposed in Canada will persuade the voters to dump Prime Minister Little Potato (gosh his hair is perfect) and destroy the Liberal Party of Canada… so we can start Making Canada Great for the first time since Trudeau the Elder fucked things up royally back in the 1970s…
“Making Canada Great”
You’re moving Canada’s capital to Edmonton so the politicians will be surrounded by normal Canadians and making Doug Ford the new Prime Minister. That should do it, eh?
Moving Canada’s capital from Ottawa to Edmonton
Is that something real? I can’t find anything about it online.
It should be! I’ve heard many a real Canadian grouse about those stuck-up elitist Quebeckers pushing everyone around and punishing provinces like Alberta who dare to collide with their Green Socialist utopian wet dreams. Move the capital to someplace sane with normal people.
The capital is in Ontario. So how are the Quebeckers in charge?
Polls show Alberta with the highest percentage of voters who desire to leave Canada and join the SA.
MAJ Arkay,
2015 – NOW PM J Trudeau, Quebec
2003-2006 PM P Martin, Quebec
1993-2003 PM J Chrétien, Quebec
1984-1993 PM B Mulroney, Quebec
1980-1984 PM P Trudeau, Quebec
1968-1979 PM P Trudeau, Quebec
1948-1957 PM L St. Laurent, Quebec
Canada is a pioneer in diversity politics.
In the same vein, we need to move the capital of the US to Kansas.
The concept of watching leftist heads across Canada explode from either moving the nation’s capital designation to Edmonton OR putting Doug Ford in charge… I’ll drink to that! A dram of my finest!!
The troops overseas need to be here to fight the war at home.
After Obama and friends they will run into a lot of the same people.
How many people from Mogadishu and “Black Hawk Down” who were shooting at our people are here now?
I am asking because I don’t know. Likely neither does anyone else. But that culture is here, and it is the same. The purported “Magic Soil” of the USA does not change anyone from one culture to another. They are here now. Thank Obama, Hillary, Soros, Schumer, Pelosi, Frank, Junkers, Sutherland, UN, and many others. And have any woman try to take a walk by herself in many areas of Europe these days. And some places here.
They should not be there.
No Afghans should have ever been admitted into the USA. Social cultural Justice.
“Afghanistan” is what happens when you look at many different tribes and clans that usually will tolerate each other at best, spread over different terrains that may be completely isolated for months on end, and tell yourself this vast territory has to be a single unified nation with a central government. So it’s kinda hard to talk about Afghanis like they’re all the same.
Besides, we have their blankets, carpets, and hounds. Why not the people?
Many of those groups have a culture of war. They have lived thus since before Alexander the Great passed through. Many of them do not think of things as we do. They live to fight and kill. They will survive under horrible conditions (that would tax most of our best) and be concentrating on the aspect of honor that brings them to kill someone or those they believe that they should kill. Our social constructs mean nothing to most of them. it is a culture to be admired from afar and kept out of the areas that no longer can deal with those like that on a day to day basis. There are always differences that make the rule. There are differences there since the Soviets began their insanity followed by ours. I believe the Chinese are trying to stay out of the way while they take dirt and rocks out of the earth. Rare earth mainly. they h ave upgraded their weapons since the last time they upgraded them by taking them off those who brought them in.
They have a diversity across it, just as Europeans have way over 150 cultures, tribes, or nations easily discernible in Europe.
What Afghanistan is is why our own nation is being subjected to a population replacement. I used to make up that Mao said that a nations strength is its people, and that th people of the USA must be replaced in order to defeat them. then the whole gun behind every blade of grass thing from WW2 Japanese Admiral Yamamoto. Little did I know then that invasion, emigration, hijrah, push others in, has been a form of warfare used for millenniums.
I had ancestors in a tribe that moved around Eurasia until they settled in Europe.
The Afghans (many, most?) still live by those old rules, plus a few new ones.
Sharia is one reason why not the people. They do not mix culturally. Those Iranians and other Muslims friends used to have as friends have all gone silent since the influx of Sharia followers have entered the USA. No more meeting up with them. No phone calls returned. The threat that those who follow Sharia will kill them has ended any melting pot concept concerning Sharia followers and the Muslims they feel obligated to do to what Sharia demands. It is a threat that has worked with many. All Muslims stand on ground that Islam and Sharia has conquered, or plans to conquer. Islam has not changed. There is no Enlightenment in Islam. Only sometimes people getting along with Dhiminis for a long time. Muslims tend to take a country towards completely Islam. Ask so many Islamic nations. See how they have changed over time. Lebanon was, in memory, a Christian majority nation. So went Kosovo. So is planned for Europe and the world. Islam was just kicked out of most of Europe in the early 1900’s after cetturies of battles after Islam conquered many areas and took many slaves and tribute and plunder.
Why not the people? Because their people demand that we surrender to their “superior” culture or be killed. Not all at once if not possible, but eventually. Sharia is a plan and rules to accomplish that.
We are all people. Yet we are all different. Afghans are people too. People that do not belong in the USA, as a rule. There are complexities to all interaction. But one does not invite in that which makes you weaker.
This is not like Hungary inviting the Saxons into Hungary and the Saxons living in an autonomous region for about 150 years.
The differences are too great. Things like Pulse will happen. Or the3 person who stole a truck recently intending on killing many infidels.
Family have known some of the (money) richest Muslims. They advocate and believe in the hijrah to conquer the world for Islam. They all know it since children.
Look at the faces of those who are in enemy territory, the West, they have those smiles knowing that they are dealing with people that they are conquering, and they push it all they can in every way possible. The Muslims are here, they say. And they come to conquer the inferiors, so they believe.
Keep it tight
Why the FECK are we (and were the Soviets before us) doing in the “rock pile” in the first place? OK, so I understand (kinda, sorta) why we supplied arms to various Afghani groups. Those people have a warrior culture and were gonna fight the Soviets anyhow, so why not give them a little more sting? What I want to know is why WE are there RIGHT FEKKING NOW?!?!?!?!
They don’t want us there and we don’t belong there. Sounds like a perfect match! If Putin wants another try at ’em I say “Let him have it!” We have no business being there. Heinlein was right, people do get the government they deserve. That includes us if we fail to heed Franklin’s warning. If we get overly “democratic” we FEKKING DESERVE to live in the marvelous “People’s Republic” Kurt Schlichter writes about in his(so far three) Kelly Turnbull novels.
What are we doing in Afghanistan?
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All Muslims are incompatible with our Constitution and BOR.Period.
Here come da boom.
I used to say the same thing about the Vietnamese who showed up here after the war – some of them made my trigger finger go spastic…..
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Isolationism? It doesn’t work. We learned that in WWII. Did you fail history?
Binary argument. Not valid.
The choices aren’t only total isolationism on one side and total immersion into every other nation’s affairs on the other. There IS something between total occupation and nation building and bringing our troops home and lining them up shoulder to shoulder on the border.
Our isolationism in the 30s was absolutely valid. With the exception of the 19th century, Europe was wont to have a major destructive war practically every generation. WWI was just that. We got involved and thought we had put paid to the European Cycle of Stupidity once and for all. You’ll have to excuse us for not wanting to get involved a mere 21 years later in another exercise in European idiocy after we had put out a grand effort to fight The War To End All Wars less than a generation before.
When they come begging to us to save them from their multicultural diversity experiment, I say we sit it out.
Common sense? Wow, what a concept!
As I believe someone pointed out “Common Sense isn’t common.”
Since entangling alliances and isolationism don’t work, that pretty much leaves Decisive Retaliation.
When we conquered Afghanistan to destroy Al Qaeda we should have withdrawn immediately once they were gone. Then if Al Qaeda returned we do it again. As insane as that seems, eventually the natives will catch on that the only reason the Americans are here is because Al Qaeda is here. Only then will Al Qaeda become persona non grata and we get the peace we want.
We had accomplished all we could hope to accomplish militarily almost immediately. We could have left Afghanistan to the Afghans right then. We would have left with the respect of many across the world including many Muslims and Afghans. We would have left with honor in our own eyes and in the eyes of many in Afghanistan and around the world.
Others, sociopaths, with different agendas than those of the people of the USA had control, and what happened and what we have now is still within what those with power desired.
Foreign entanglements have control of much of the empire. Cash has bought way too much. Keep thinking and doing what needs to be done to do what the USA means to its people and to defend the Constitution.
John, re: “eventually the natives will….” , won’t work. These folks don”t think like we do. Ethnocentric points of view do not apply here. Nor did they apply in RVN, Our only alternative is to minimize the damage done to our own culture and civilization, then try to get on with life. And, yes, charity should begin at home. We cannot succeed in our efforts to solve the problems of others by making the rest of the world behave like we do, Altruism just doesn’t apply in this scenario. Just sayin’
Excuse me. Pulling our troops back in from the four corners of the globe does not necessarily equate to isolationism.Whe the FECK are we to be making ourselves a global police force anyhow? We can trade with whomever we want. We just don’t need to be garrisoning all the lands we fought in the better part of THREE QUARTERS OF A CENTURY AGO! The Empire of Japan didn’t attack us at Pearl Harbor because we were isolationists, they attacked us because we WEREN’T! If we hadn’t been meddling in Pacific Rim politics they never would have attacked us unless, as some believe, December 7th was payback of a slight to the Shogun a century and more earlier.
What is so wrong with minding our own business and letting the rest of the world mind theirs? It works quite well for the Swiss. How much would we save by shutting down our overseas garrisons and bringing our troops home? I have no idea why the alleged “Department of Defense” cannot be put to work defending our southern border. Nobody is set up to project force across the Atlantic, much less the Pacific. If the barstids want a piece of us I say “Let them come!” There may not be a rifle behind every blade of grass but there’d damned well one behind every tree!
“It works quite well for the Swiss.”
Not a great comparison. Switzerland is protected from attack by so many politicians having bank accounts there. Any one nation attacking will be met by five or more whose leaders are protecting their own assets “for the greater good”.
Bank accounts, plus educating the children of the elite. Soviet sent their kids there. The present Kim of North Korea was educated there. When, the Soviet Union went under, many of politburo and upper echelon apparatchiki fled to Brazil, financed by those accounts. Bought seaside villas. Many were available as their German owners had passed away.
During the Raj in British India, the British Indian Army fought three wars with the Afghan tribes, or Afridi as they were called. They even made one attempt to establish a permanent presence at Kabul in 1841-42, that ended with the Little Big Horn-like massacre of 4500 British troops and about three times as many civilians. (Look up “Elphinstone, 44th Regiment of Foot.”)
Finally, in 1921, after the last British-Afghan War had finally ended (It had begun in 1912 and lasted right through WW1), the British gave up. They withdrew all troops to the then-Indian border (now it’s the border with Pakistan), and told the tribes this;
“We don’t care what you do to each other. Just keep it on your side of the border. If you raid or whatever on our side, we will come with everything we have to hunt you down and kill you, your families, and your entire tribe. And you know that the other tribes will tell us who did it, and where you are.”
That was the sum total of British “nation building” in Afghanistan until 2001. It was apparently the only “policy” that survived every change of government from Tory to Conservative to Labour unchanged for eighty years or so.
After 9/11, the British, God bless them, joined us in going after the bastards. But they, and we, forgot the basic lesson of dealing with Muslims generally, Islamists specifically, and Afghanistan in particular.
Don’t try to “civilize” them. Do as little “business” with them as possible. And if attacked by them (which is apparently something they do as instinctively as breathing), find the perpetrators, kill them, and leave.
And certainly do not invite them into your country. Let alone make them government officials of your country.
As the old couplet goes,
“East is East, and West is West,
And never the twain shall meet.”
In the case of Islam, it’s probably better for all concerned if it stays that way.
clear ether
eon
Damn straight….the gaul and arrogance of westerners to think they can change what has been the culture for 6-7,000 years….these people are barely out of the stone age and we want to domesticate them….same with the entire middle east….
Very well said. Unfortunately we seem to be far too “civilized” to handle things that way.
“…if attacked by them, find the perpetrators, kill them, and leave.”
Where was that wisdom when George the lesser got his mandate on along about 2008? How much treasure, how many good men’s lives would we have saved by heeding it?
2004.
Back in 2003, I said (on strategypage.com) that if we went into Afghanistan and didn’t find Bin Laden and his thugs within two months, he was already gone. So there was no point in staying longer than that.
The fact that we finally got him eight years later in a safe house in Pakistan rather proves the point.
And BTW, my observation was borrowed from one made by John Glubb (1897-1986), regarding how long it took to get results there. And he was doing it in a time before satellite communications and recon, computers, and etc.
Glubb Pasha knew a thing or two about the territory and its people.
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eon
Oh I know that wisdom -we could really just call it obvious common sense- but unfortunately it was not where it was most needed from then until 2016, still withholding judgement post that.
The reference to the ’04 re-election was the quote from little George about the “mandate” he felt he received in a landslide victory against that horseface valor thief Kerry. Hard one to lose, but still of course I and most Americans supported him.
Problem of course is that his mission shifted from the one he was mandated to accomplish, the pursuit and destruction of those responsible for an attack similar to and in my view worse than, the Japs at Pearl Habor, and became about avenging his daddy’s failure to finish off the irrelevant Hussein and pissing away billions of our dollars and the lives of thousands of our boys in a campaign of “nation building” and bringing these poor peoples into the modern world that they have rejected for hundreds of years…a stupid failed misguided campaign completely devoid of American interests that has continued from then until now.
Fucking idiot .
First line got cropped, should read,
“Oh I know that wisdom -we could really just call it obvious common sense- *was out here in the real world* but unfortunately etc. etc.”
Islam is just an excuse for killing off your neighbors. The hill tribes in Afgjamistan have done this for centuries, back before Alexander wound his way through there and centuries before islam was even an idea. They’ve never done anything else. They claim they kicked him out. Hogwash. He was on his way to India. He didn’t care about them. If you think it’s about sharia, think again. It’s about killing off anyone not like you. Sharia is just the excuse.
The Soviet Union went bankrupt trying to annex Afghanistan, so bankrupt that at its worst, Soviet military were paid about 2 rubles a week. If you don’t remember Gorbachev’s announcement that the USSR was bankrupt and the Politburo was dissolved, you’re looking at the wrong stuff.
And yeah, they’d like to do the same to the USA – bankrupt us and push us into the dissolution of a strong nation, but it ain’t gonna happen. Got that? Why do you think Trump was elected? To put on a TV show? His election has lit a fire under all the slop that was muddling around at the bottom of the pot. Now it’s at the top, floating around like the scum it is, and you’re all watching it and wondering why it’s such a surprise.
They can have that blankblankhole they live in. They haven’t had an original idea since before Moses crossed the Sinai after Santorini erupted and wiped out Minaon civilization, and they never will. All they care about is squabbling with each other, so let them. The Chinese are “managing” the UJighurs, another hill tribe Muslim group, in western China. Let them throw their resources at that blankblankhole. At some point, it will end. ISIS is dead and the Taliban are taking over again, and I just do not give a crap. Maybe it’s time we said ‘bye-bye’ and put our resources to work for us.
Unfortunately, there are enough of those fustercluckers here to start a shooting war in a neighborhood, just like Chicago used to have before the projects were demolished. I think we should let them just kill each other off.
And FWIW, if I’m in the bathroom doing something important, I don’t answer the phone, either. 🙂 Just sayin’.
Sorry if that’s too long, CM. You can trim it if you wish to.
If we pull out of Astan who will protect out opium fields? It is immoral to bring fermented alcohol but permissable to grow opium poppies?
We have enough problems in our country without importing chains of relations from every sinkhole on the planet.
Who decides which culture is better and how did they become the arbiter of the nation, why do we let the Eloi of the coastal plains import savages to the Heartland and profit from it?
Ask Ted Kennedy. That fat, drunk old lecher was the reason we quit focusing on skilled Europeans and started importing the third world into the US in the 60s.
He carried the water for the Senator that wrote the immigration law and of the people supporting it. liberal Democrat Senator Ted Kennedy was just following orders for the rest of his life.
Our destruction had been planned way before that. Some believe in their multi generational Great Cause.
It’s permissible for muslims to provide poison to the infidel, just not to ingest it themselves. The market for the poppy crop is places like Europe and the US, not the muslim people. Or at least that’s what they tell themselves.
So, it’s all good. *eyeroll*
It’s way past time to stop fighting wars aboard and defend our borders against invaders. It may depends on our schooling or as some note, indoctrination by the manipulation of history/facts that our wars are necessary and has nothing to do with Blow Back from having military bases in 40 countries and US military in many more.
Some may not like these points mentioned in the same post .
It’s said that in the 242 years since 1776 the American government, the Nation of Peace, had used it’s citizens to fight others for 221 year with only 21 calendar years of peace. A Peaceful Nation?
Islam been at war/fighting for the whole of it’s existence, 1420 years. The Religion of Peace?
When you’re wounded and left on Afghanistan’s plains, and the women come out to cut up what remains, jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains and go to your gawd like a soldier.
Rudyard Kipling
If only politicians could read.
Except, they did tend to our wounded, at the start of the combat. We’ve stayed too long.
We were acting honorably by Afghan standards in the beginning by retaliating against those who attacked us.
We have stayed too long. We have no moral honor to be there now by their thousands of years standards
Individual soldiers are oft considered separately from our nation’s behavior by their standards. They are different from us.
Russia went into Afghanistan as a modern Great Game gambit. They thought it would be rather easy. Next move would have been Pakistan for the Khyber Pass, gaining access to a warm water port that Russia has desired since the time of the czars.
A piece from Geopolitical Futures, a service I follow: https://mailchi.mp/dc59481d01f4/the-rise-and-fall-of-the-islamic-state?e=1815f32f7f
Another piece from GF, opining on the prompts to Pearl Harbor: https://mailchi.mp/f50b6771627f/response-to-comments-on-leadership-and-necessity?e=1815f32f7f
This is real and compelling analysis, and something we need to keep in mind considering the nature of the Deep State and any change in the Constitution we might consider.
P.S.
I am not the “John” above who submitted the GF articles.
John, TYVM
I am not the “John” above
Well for clarity’s sake you can add an initial or number to your handle. At worst someone will think you’re referencing a Bible chapter, so pick a good one.
So far, there has been more intelligent thought and comment here on this one strip Chris made than expressed in all DC since the signing of the Constitution.
Politicians, presstitutes, including the regurgitating heads, narcissistic article writers, and any groups I missed.
Are they not all “educated” at a small group of “elite” schools?
Obviously we are deluded to think they are our best and brightest. They are the ones that get us and keep us in these positions. Were cannon fodder, peons, no consequence. Two sets of Law. You lose.
I think we had to go after Osama bin-Laden (then in Afghanistan) and his hosts. It would have been best to leave after after he was killed. (Yes, I recall he was hiding out in Pakistan and killed there, but he was the main reason for our being in Afghanistan.)
Whenever if read about Afghanistan, I am reminded that one of their titles/epithets in the West is “Graveyard of Nations”
Very good and impassioned discussion. However we must realize that we are in a two front war now. The Left has joined with the Islamists to take down the constitutional republic.
Fellow travelers join up to do that which is a common goal. When that goal of destruction is reached, then they turn on each other and the most ruthless and brutal will win. Not to many Bolsheviks survived after the Russian Revolution.
Enemies foreign and domestic. We are getting into Stage 4 cancer as a nation. If we want to win and survive we must know our mind and our enemy’s mind. Things are heading toward the tipping point. It’s that bad, folks.
Oh there’s plenty of drive in the world, even among politicians. Drive toward evil.
The “drive” is far more insidious than you might think, and it is both the destroyer of nations and the reason Western Civilization is both imperiled and successful.
The key is to recognize that _all_ life including the human, is driven to survive and procreate. The virus does this by massive replication. Humans do it by gaming the system, _whatever_ that system might be.
Thus, the Soviet Union was gamed to death by the perpetual onslaught of its citizens striving to get a bigger piece of the action. Meanwhile in the US we steer this imperative by way of the law to allow people to serve each other by way of commerce, which in turn is able to follow a Darwinian model that allows for creative destruction.
The success of Western Civilization, indeed its very foundation, rests on the pillars of both Judeo-Christian morality and Greek Reasoning. Either one alone is not enough. We weaken either at our peril.
Just a note: the people who have referred to “sanctuary cities” (and it starts with “Dem”) as the place for [illegal] ‘migrants’ are squawking loudly now because Pres. Trump has announced that those are the places the ‘migrants’ should (will) end up.
Is this the “clever stuff” biting the hand that fed it? Just askin’.
Alinsky’s Rule for Radicals No. 4; “Make them live by their own words.”
The President is simply giving them an opportunity to live up to their own superior ethics and morality.
They should be happy to have the chance.
The fact that they aren’t says much more about them than they probably want anyone else to know.
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eon
After seeing so many Muslim women with far less cumbersome head coverings, even simple scarves, I’m starting to wonder if Ilhan Omar’s structured “face tunnel” is hiding a neck holster. Seriously, she could be hiding a Semtex neck brace under that thing. And when the metal detector goes off “That’s just my jewelry!” and further inspection would be a racist attack on her religion etc.
Turn that entire sh*thole into a night light for Earth.
“Night Light” I agree- Put it in the grid square !