Just about to mention that; those things are junk of course but that is not the point at all is it?
Remember we used to talk about DT’s 4D chess etc? I had said at the time of the LV shooting and his surprising response to jump on a ban with both feet and thought then it seemed suspicious as he knew it was unconstitutional and would be overturned…
Is it possible he was exactly right all along? And that both the ban and the overturning are prelude to any new 2A attacks? Hard to think our wackjobs MAGA CEO could be that focused that far ahead, and yet…
June 14, 2024 at 11:22 am
Rickn8or
It wasn’t the bump stock, it was the ATF’s new pistol brace rule, and it was on procedural rules, not the constitutionality of the rule.
It seems the ATF went through the rule-making process talking about basketball, then issued a new rule about fly fishing. (There seems to be a pattern here.)
So there is no pistol brace rule now, until the ATF comes up with a new one, whereupon it has to be litigated all over again.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
Every fucking time there’s a Democrat in the White House, the ATF (and others) go off the chain and start doing skeezy quasi-legal stuff.
No, the SC didn’t even get to the question of whether the bump stock ban violates the Constitution, because they ruled that the BATFEIO did not follow the proper procedures when they imposed it. They ignored the procedures required by Congress (not the Constitution) for rule-making by executive-branch agencies. I don’t think the SC even got to the question of whether the Constitution allows Congress to delegate so much power, since this ban looks like a law passed by an executive agency rather than the legislative branch. (The magic words here are “Chevron deference,” but several justices have been looking for a case to limit or overturn that old precedent.)
If Congress passed the ban directly and explicitly, it would get past those two issues. Next, there’s the ex-post-facto question, since so many bought bump stocks legally under the old rule. Only after the ban survived that, either by appropriating enough money to buy “back” all the existing bump stocks at fair market price, or by grandfathering them in and only banning new ones, would the SC consider whether it violates the 2nd Amendment. My guess is that a majority of the justices could be convinced that bump stocks are useful neither for militia purposes nor for ordinary self-defense, and allow the ban – but they’d be more vigilant against the next attempt at infringing the RKBA.
June 14, 2024 at 12:36 am
epador
It’s not Fag day, it’s not False Flag Day, wazzup?!?
President Elect Toxic Deplorable Racist SAH Neanderthal B Woodman Domestic Violent Extremist SuperStraight
If Sam isn’t already armed and primed for danger, hopefully Zed is close by to assist.
Three people, that I don’t know, inside my house, saying they’re from Teh Gooberment…..shoot first, ask questions later.
If they’re at the door….DON’T OPEN THE DOOR!
I know, I know, been watching too many “bad cop” videos….you open the door, they stick their foot inside the door, you try to close the door, next thing you know, you’re the one arrested for “assault on a law enforcement officer”.
Do a Mozambique triple tap on the guy in the middle- – – – -then you’ll have to shoot the other two in the back as they’re running away with brown streaks from their pants legs!
Personally…..I’d pop the screaming one on the left first since he looks like he’s winding up to “berserker” mode. Then just keep tracking to the right…..
As usual, something in this scene reminds me of a past experience, recalling those serves as an anti-Alzheimer’s exercise for me, or at least that’s what I tell myself 🙂
Had just about the same exact scenario about 35 years ago when a guy visited our Rifle/Pistol Club to push the new ‘practical shooting’ group starting in the city. I forget if it was IPSC or something else but it was about 6 hours away so I didn’t really concern myself too much over it.
We were only using the Base 25yd Range at the time so it was pretty limited what he could set up but for this one you were a bank manager sitting at a desk and there were three targets set up directly in front of you, not ten feet away. You started with a pen in your hand writing on a piece of paper and your pistol in the middle tray of an inbox covered by a folded newspaper. The three targets were supposed to represent someone who you’d turned down for a loan who’d come back with two others and burst into your office with guns in their hands. At the tone you retrieved your weapon and engaged all three targets at least twice each.
I used a .357 Ruger Blackhawk…loaded hot.
With a 7 1/2″ barrel, the muzzle damn near touched the targets so missing was pretty much impossible 😉 I just held the trigger down and thumbed off six rounds with my offhand in just under two seconds.
When the dust cleared at the end of the ‘match’, adding in the power factor along with the time, I’d beaten the guy whose name I definitely can’t remember, and his .38 Super ‘race gun’ by a good margin. he was not impressed…especially since he’d laughed when I’d drug the hogleg out just for fun.
Later that day he was still cranky that I’d managed some really respectible times on his other scenarios using a S&W 1917 and full moon clips since I generally preferred revolvers at the time. 😉
I made him a bet:
$10 that I could put more holes in a target at seven yards with my Blackhawk in ten seconds than he could with his race gun and a belt full of magazines. He knew I had a second cylinder in 9mm and could swap them fairly quickly but he had a bunch of mags in the newfangled belt holders so he got cocky, being an arrogant little twit to begin with, and after a few moments of pondering, raised the bet to $20.
He got to go first since otherwise it wouldn’t have been as much fun.
He started at the high ready and I’ll give him this, he was loading the third magazine when time ran out.
For my turn I started with the Blackhawk loaded and holstered and made sure he watched me load the 9mm cylinder and settle it into it’s holder too.
The timer beeped and I drew the Blackhawk, carefully and deliberately sighted and fired one round just before the time expired.
He knew something was up right about then when I turned and held my hand out.
I reminded him the bet was for who could put the most holes in the target in the alloted time and nobody had said I couldn’t use a shot load. The ones I used held just about 105gr of #5 shot, the most I could cram into a blue plastic Speer capsule, I never did count the holes but the base plug and a few fragments of the capsule added to the count as well, best $20 I ever made with a firearm. 🙂
“As Mayor, let me clarify that for you: you’re not from ‘THE’ government, you’re from ‘A’ government, one I don’t recognize as having any authority in Gunpowder”
Awwww…..you just brought back a wonderful memory…..
I have a highly customized Remington XP-100 chambered in 7mm BR that I had to load develop as at the time I got it there was no commercially available ammo. I even had to case form my brass from .308, .30-06, and .243 shells. Tedious as hell but a labor of love.
It took about a year to find the right “recipe” that it liked and I was tweaking the load to the point of adjusting bullet seating depth in .001″ increments. Point blank range was 100yds…..put the crosshairs of the Burris 10x IER scope on the target and it was hit….period.
Several years later I was at the range dialing in some factory BR brass and a lighter bullet when these 3 guys show up checking out the hardware.
I gave them the basic story about the gun and when I mentioned that it was capable of hitting aspirin tablets at 100yds one of them bet me, all or nothing $200 a shot that I couldn’t hit 5 aspirin tablets with 5 shots.
Long story short, I Scotch taped 5 tablets to a piece of black poster board and proceeded to shatter each one with a single shot using the original load the gun was dialed in for. Now this was off of sand bags, but still…..this is a 15in bbl handgun.
The guy’s face went really pale……he didn’t have the $$$ to cover his bet.
His two companions just totally lose their shit screaming at him about why the hell did he make a bet he couldn’t cover…..and the other one yelling: “ESPECIALLY with someone who can shoot like that!!!” 8-0
He had $600 on him which I was willing to settle for but his buddies were holding him to the bet and came up with the other $400 assuring him that he WOULD be paying them back.
What had me laughing for at least 30min afterwards was the sight of them all walking back to their car, with him in the middle and every few steps they alternated kicking him in the ass as they went. 😀 😀 😀
$1000 for 5 shots…….can’t get much better’n that!!
I was in something almost a little similar that involved 10 suckers/lollipops set standing up in a row at 50 yards that had to have every speck of the candy removed from the stick to count as a hit. Everyone was using 5.56 or .22LR but I decided that at that range, hitting wasn’t going to be the problem, clearing the top completely off was and since a 12ga slug was a lot wider than a 5.56 that was what I used and won 🙂
How about $1000 for nothing at all? Well, never actually collected but had some fun with this little gambit; works like a charm to shut blowhards up!
Anyway the nature of my business (pawn, gun, gold) automatically attracted all types, most good, quite a few bad, and then the know-it-all IQ or MENSA types that want to talk over you and just generally be snide assholes…
So I developed this challenge; “Chess is a recognized measure of real-world intelligence, so even though I only bet on sure things, I will lay down $1000 cash as will you, held by a third part, that I will take you to checkmate in 17 moves or less…you down?”
Sometimes I would toss in that the gambit that I learned this method from “the only certified chess champion I ever met who told me it never fails.”
Never lost that bet; unfortunately I never had a chance because to a man (and one insufferable woman) they demurred with little discussion, just walked away. I say unfortunately because who knows I could have spit that out at the wrong person and they proceed to wipe the board with me…not hard because I am actually not a great chess player. So damn much fun though, esp watching two of them with their little mensa pins shut their mouths, tuck their tails, and slink away. And while I didn’t keep count, I must have issued that dumbass challenge at least 50 times. Didn’t make any money or lose any but damn that was enjoyable. 🙂
That story sounds a lot like the mental midget on his crotch rocket who challenged me to race him with the Porsche 928 I was tuning for a local SCCA club race. “Let’s run a quarter mile for $100.00!” “Nope, I don’t bite on sucker bets- – – -1t’s 14 miles down I-65 to the state line- – – -let’s go to Alabama for a thousand!” He got on his bike and left in a hurry!
Too bad he didn’t take the bet, odds are his throttle hand would have overtaken his common sense and he’d have ended up taking himself out of the gene pool long before the border…never liked thise bikes, and no insult, Porsches and the like either. Now a 5,000 pound Olds with a 390 4bbl or a Malibu with a 396 gets the blood pumping…for me anyway. Pity the salt here finally ate through the Mustang’s frame so I’ll have to settle for reading stories for now 🙁
OA, Thanks for the compliment. I have several high precision pieces, but the XP was my first excursion into precision case forming/reloading. I have a lot of fun with it at the range.
HL, I ride a GoldWing and have had a couple of ‘crotch rocketeers’ challenge me to a race. To which I reply: “Okay…..we go for pink slips and we race to the Canadian border!”…….we’re in Orlando FL. 🙂
I usually get a laugh or “look” but no takers. :-p
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Panel 2 makes a great target for rapid fire drills on the range.
Jes’ sayin’….
Pray to Freya for that!
Just FYI, you understand
Supreme Court just ruled the bump stock ban is Unconstitutional.
Just about to mention that; those things are junk of course but that is not the point at all is it?
Remember we used to talk about DT’s 4D chess etc? I had said at the time of the LV shooting and his surprising response to jump on a ban with both feet and thought then it seemed suspicious as he knew it was unconstitutional and would be overturned…
Is it possible he was exactly right all along? And that both the ban and the overturning are prelude to any new 2A attacks? Hard to think our wackjobs MAGA CEO could be that focused that far ahead, and yet…
It wasn’t the bump stock, it was the ATF’s new pistol brace rule, and it was on procedural rules, not the constitutionality of the rule.
It seems the ATF went through the rule-making process talking about basketball, then issued a new rule about fly fishing. (There seems to be a pattern here.)
So there is no pistol brace rule now, until the ATF comes up with a new one, whereupon it has to be litigated all over again.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
Every fucking time there’s a Democrat in the White House, the ATF (and others) go off the chain and start doing skeezy quasi-legal stuff.
For more info, here ya go:
https://tennesseefirearms.com/2024/06/federal-court-in-texas-declares-atf-pistol-brace-rule-void/
Annnd it appears I was talking about yesterday.
TODAY the Supremes lifted the bump stock ban.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c6pp5xl13wlo
No, the SC didn’t even get to the question of whether the bump stock ban violates the Constitution, because they ruled that the BATFEIO did not follow the proper procedures when they imposed it. They ignored the procedures required by Congress (not the Constitution) for rule-making by executive-branch agencies. I don’t think the SC even got to the question of whether the Constitution allows Congress to delegate so much power, since this ban looks like a law passed by an executive agency rather than the legislative branch. (The magic words here are “Chevron deference,” but several justices have been looking for a case to limit or overturn that old precedent.)
If Congress passed the ban directly and explicitly, it would get past those two issues. Next, there’s the ex-post-facto question, since so many bought bump stocks legally under the old rule. Only after the ban survived that, either by appropriating enough money to buy “back” all the existing bump stocks at fair market price, or by grandfathering them in and only banning new ones, would the SC consider whether it violates the 2nd Amendment. My guess is that a majority of the justices could be convinced that bump stocks are useful neither for militia purposes nor for ordinary self-defense, and allow the ban – but they’d be more vigilant against the next attempt at infringing the RKBA.
It’s not Fag day, it’s not False Flag Day, wazzup?!?
WITH FRIENDS LIKE THAT, WHO NEEDS ENEMAS?
The nine scariest words EVAH!
Release the BACKHOE! (Or the Feral hogs).
How many different calibers will they get hit by?
Zar Belk!
Haven’t seen Tabasco for a while…
Do the targets have names? Does it matter?
If Sam isn’t already armed and primed for danger, hopefully Zed is close by to assist.
Three people, that I don’t know, inside my house, saying they’re from Teh Gooberment…..shoot first, ask questions later.
If they’re at the door….DON’T OPEN THE DOOR!
I know, I know, been watching too many “bad cop” videos….you open the door, they stick their foot inside the door, you try to close the door, next thing you know, you’re the one arrested for “assault on a law enforcement officer”.
Do a Mozambique triple tap on the guy in the middle- – – – -then you’ll have to shoot the other two in the back as they’re running away with brown streaks from their pants legs!
Personally…..I’d pop the screaming one on the left first since he looks like he’s winding up to “berserker” mode. Then just keep tracking to the right…..
They’ll probably have a driver too… 😉
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/gMioSG1sGRs
As usual, something in this scene reminds me of a past experience, recalling those serves as an anti-Alzheimer’s exercise for me, or at least that’s what I tell myself 🙂
Had just about the same exact scenario about 35 years ago when a guy visited our Rifle/Pistol Club to push the new ‘practical shooting’ group starting in the city. I forget if it was IPSC or something else but it was about 6 hours away so I didn’t really concern myself too much over it.
We were only using the Base 25yd Range at the time so it was pretty limited what he could set up but for this one you were a bank manager sitting at a desk and there were three targets set up directly in front of you, not ten feet away. You started with a pen in your hand writing on a piece of paper and your pistol in the middle tray of an inbox covered by a folded newspaper. The three targets were supposed to represent someone who you’d turned down for a loan who’d come back with two others and burst into your office with guns in their hands. At the tone you retrieved your weapon and engaged all three targets at least twice each.
I used a .357 Ruger Blackhawk…loaded hot.
With a 7 1/2″ barrel, the muzzle damn near touched the targets so missing was pretty much impossible 😉 I just held the trigger down and thumbed off six rounds with my offhand in just under two seconds.
When the dust cleared at the end of the ‘match’, adding in the power factor along with the time, I’d beaten the guy whose name I definitely can’t remember, and his .38 Super ‘race gun’ by a good margin. he was not impressed…especially since he’d laughed when I’d drug the hogleg out just for fun.
Later that day he was still cranky that I’d managed some really respectible times on his other scenarios using a S&W 1917 and full moon clips since I generally preferred revolvers at the time. 😉
I made him a bet:
$10 that I could put more holes in a target at seven yards with my Blackhawk in ten seconds than he could with his race gun and a belt full of magazines. He knew I had a second cylinder in 9mm and could swap them fairly quickly but he had a bunch of mags in the newfangled belt holders so he got cocky, being an arrogant little twit to begin with, and after a few moments of pondering, raised the bet to $20.
He got to go first since otherwise it wouldn’t have been as much fun.
He started at the high ready and I’ll give him this, he was loading the third magazine when time ran out.
For my turn I started with the Blackhawk loaded and holstered and made sure he watched me load the 9mm cylinder and settle it into it’s holder too.
The timer beeped and I drew the Blackhawk, carefully and deliberately sighted and fired one round just before the time expired.
He knew something was up right about then when I turned and held my hand out.
I reminded him the bet was for who could put the most holes in the target in the alloted time and nobody had said I couldn’t use a shot load. The ones I used held just about 105gr of #5 shot, the most I could cram into a blue plastic Speer capsule, I never did count the holes but the base plug and a few fragments of the capsule added to the count as well, best $20 I ever made with a firearm. 🙂
“As Mayor, let me clarify that for you: you’re not from ‘THE’ government, you’re from ‘A’ government, one I don’t recognize as having any authority in Gunpowder”
OA, let me say that both of those posts were fun and “accurate” as it were…
Awwww…..you just brought back a wonderful memory…..
I have a highly customized Remington XP-100 chambered in 7mm BR that I had to load develop as at the time I got it there was no commercially available ammo. I even had to case form my brass from .308, .30-06, and .243 shells. Tedious as hell but a labor of love.
It took about a year to find the right “recipe” that it liked and I was tweaking the load to the point of adjusting bullet seating depth in .001″ increments. Point blank range was 100yds…..put the crosshairs of the Burris 10x IER scope on the target and it was hit….period.
Several years later I was at the range dialing in some factory BR brass and a lighter bullet when these 3 guys show up checking out the hardware.
I gave them the basic story about the gun and when I mentioned that it was capable of hitting aspirin tablets at 100yds one of them bet me, all or nothing $200 a shot that I couldn’t hit 5 aspirin tablets with 5 shots.
Long story short, I Scotch taped 5 tablets to a piece of black poster board and proceeded to shatter each one with a single shot using the original load the gun was dialed in for. Now this was off of sand bags, but still…..this is a 15in bbl handgun.
The guy’s face went really pale……he didn’t have the $$$ to cover his bet.
His two companions just totally lose their shit screaming at him about why the hell did he make a bet he couldn’t cover…..and the other one yelling: “ESPECIALLY with someone who can shoot like that!!!” 8-0
He had $600 on him which I was willing to settle for but his buddies were holding him to the bet and came up with the other $400 assuring him that he WOULD be paying them back.
What had me laughing for at least 30min afterwards was the sight of them all walking back to their car, with him in the middle and every few steps they alternated kicking him in the ass as they went. 😀 😀 😀
$1000 for 5 shots…….can’t get much better’n that!!
Now that’s good shootin’ 🙂
I was in something almost a little similar that involved 10 suckers/lollipops set standing up in a row at 50 yards that had to have every speck of the candy removed from the stick to count as a hit. Everyone was using 5.56 or .22LR but I decided that at that range, hitting wasn’t going to be the problem, clearing the top completely off was and since a 12ga slug was a lot wider than a 5.56 that was what I used and won 🙂
How about $1000 for nothing at all? Well, never actually collected but had some fun with this little gambit; works like a charm to shut blowhards up!
Anyway the nature of my business (pawn, gun, gold) automatically attracted all types, most good, quite a few bad, and then the know-it-all IQ or MENSA types that want to talk over you and just generally be snide assholes…
So I developed this challenge; “Chess is a recognized measure of real-world intelligence, so even though I only bet on sure things, I will lay down $1000 cash as will you, held by a third part, that I will take you to checkmate in 17 moves or less…you down?”
Sometimes I would toss in that the gambit that I learned this method from “the only certified chess champion I ever met who told me it never fails.”
Never lost that bet; unfortunately I never had a chance because to a man (and one insufferable woman) they demurred with little discussion, just walked away. I say unfortunately because who knows I could have spit that out at the wrong person and they proceed to wipe the board with me…not hard because I am actually not a great chess player. So damn much fun though, esp watching two of them with their little mensa pins shut their mouths, tuck their tails, and slink away. And while I didn’t keep count, I must have issued that dumbass challenge at least 50 times. Didn’t make any money or lose any but damn that was enjoyable. 🙂
That story sounds a lot like the mental midget on his crotch rocket who challenged me to race him with the Porsche 928 I was tuning for a local SCCA club race. “Let’s run a quarter mile for $100.00!” “Nope, I don’t bite on sucker bets- – – -1t’s 14 miles down I-65 to the state line- – – -let’s go to Alabama for a thousand!” He got on his bike and left in a hurry!
Too bad he didn’t take the bet, odds are his throttle hand would have overtaken his common sense and he’d have ended up taking himself out of the gene pool long before the border…never liked thise bikes, and no insult, Porsches and the like either. Now a 5,000 pound Olds with a 390 4bbl or a Malibu with a 396 gets the blood pumping…for me anyway. Pity the salt here finally ate through the Mustang’s frame so I’ll have to settle for reading stories for now 🙁
OA, Thanks for the compliment. I have several high precision pieces, but the XP was my first excursion into precision case forming/reloading. I have a lot of fun with it at the range.
HL, I ride a GoldWing and have had a couple of ‘crotch rocketeers’ challenge me to a race. To which I reply: “Okay…..we go for pink slips and we race to the Canadian border!”…….we’re in Orlando FL. 🙂
I usually get a laugh or “look” but no takers. :-p