A crutch chambered in .22 Hi-Velocity? The crutch is probably long enough to fit an integrated noise suppressor. Fit a 10-15 round magazine and a “fun switch” in the handle.
I knew there was something else I needed to add to my Christmas List.
Had one of the little Stinger pen guns come through the pawn shop once. I think you can still find one. Lot of concealed guns have been made and still available but that folding Stinger might be the only “legal” one.
Bren, it doesn’t have to last a long time; we’re talking a “Get off me” gun that’s going to fire a few rounds and then moulder in a police evidence locker. (While you build another one.)
As mentioned below, while the results of using a “get off me” piece beats the fuck out of not have anything available, one doesn’t want one’s handygun skills to cause you to join the confiscated artwork in the “evidence locker”
for illegal manufacture.
September 20, 2023 at 12:19 pm
James/G
What ‘Moulder’? You use it, then lose it. Cops ask questions, you lawyer up, while the thing gets tossed into the nearest sewer grate, tied to to a plastic bag to float away…
Advantages/Disadvantages to a walking Stick Firearm(I won’t say ‘Crutch Gun,’ as far too many liberals say all guns are crutches)are as follows;
Max range for an effective shot is less than 70 yards, since there are no sights, and trying to add sights will be a dead giveaway as to what you have. That’s for a pistol or rifle round. A shotgun shell, say 410 or 20 gauge, range may be 30 yards. Limited ammo. .22 or Russian submachine gun ammo(the PPSH), Zed(Okay, SAM)might get her Stick to hold a 5-round magazine undetectably. And any Walking Stick firearm designed as a magazine-loaded piece will be hard to disguise.
Advantage is the surprise/shock factor, and sheer weight of the weapon if you end up in hand to hand. Make the barrel the length of the cane, and you have a seriously deadly shillelagh.
September 20, 2023 at 6:23 pm
Bren
Not yet illegal to make your own firearms in the US. All you have to do is make sure you’re not dipping into NFA territory.
PPSh is chambered in 7.62 Tokarev, yeah? That’s basically a very hot loaded 7.63 Mauser. At that point, may as well go 9mm as far as magazine capacity.
September 20, 2023 at 11:52 am
Oldarmourer
You can drill a 1/4″ hole through a piece of broomstick, that’s narrow enough to catch the rim and wide enough to hold the cartridge case, then hit the base with a rock, once…maybe twice, copper pipe works better.
Seen it done 😉 There’s no such thing as a completely ‘gun free’ zone.
Once we found one made from rolled up strips cut from pop cans for a barrel, ground up match heads in mylar ‘cartridges’ made from potato chip bags with pieces of light bulb filament for primers and a 9V battery complete with trigger to fire it.
It put a AAA battery through a piece of sheet metal at a good distance.
One group even made a working cannon they were going to try and blow the gate open with, It couldn’t have done that but I still wouldn’t want to have it aimed at me.
Another time some ‘pipe bombs’ were made from tins filled with ground up match heads and the same filament/battery firing train, set up with a microswitch from a TV for an anti-disturb device…they worked, blew a steel locker apart when one functioned.
20 years in EOD and they still wouldn’t listen when I warned them about other things, like how the ‘instant cold’ packs you just squeeze to activate are nothing but Ammonium Nitrate and water, they were being handed out like candy but my warning went unheeded and indeed even scoffed at openly…until the demonstration 😉
I built a 2-shot .22 short belt buckle out of a rectangle of tool steel once- – – -the strikers were covered with a couple of agate cabochons. Traded it off for a pretty nice pocket pistol.
Or you can pick up an NAA22LR with the belt buckle accessory, love those little revolvers (been carrying one as secondary since ’78) and sold a bunch of them. Last I paid attention though, the buckle had become ironically illegal since it doesn’t (typically) conceal the gun, while CC was fine. Don’t know the current status on that in other states or on OC…
Point being though, a lot easier than making a hidden gun yourself though perhaps not as satisfying…do want to be cognizant of the in-flux legality of home builts though, stupid as fuck but you don’t want to fall into a felony which would then give them access to your whole kit and kaboodle.
Museum in Lima Peru has a wonderful collection of esoteric guns. From swords with shotguns, flintlocks, or rifle rounds, to crotch gun pepperboxes mounted on a very well padded codpiece. In both male and female forms.
Several artificial appendages with various guns in them.
Some that had been used to change the govt in other South American countries.
Dad took us kids there at least six times. Dinosaurs and natural museum stuff was cool and often exchanged wit British museum of natural history, but we always finished in that tightly packed almost redlighted, air conditioned exhibit space.
In France around the turn of the last century, you could buy a curved handgrip for your bicycle handlebars with a .22 caliber six-shot pepperbox revolver concealed in the curved end. it was for protection against dogs.
Some additional notes on the subject of Walking Stick Firearms, but first, I would *Love* for Chris’ take on Meritless Garland’s attempt lecture Congress, or ‘parts’ of Congress, on how he does not answer to them or the Whitehouse(Although face it, he is the DNC/PLD’s yappy li’l mongrel).
Now with that out of the way, If you can get licensed to CCW, do so. And if you have to shoot someone, Lawyer up. Other than that, if you’re using a DIY/Homebuilt unit, toss it and lawyer up.
The only problem with a CCW ‘licence’ is that whe nthe time comes, that list goes door-to-door confiscating what they know you own and searching for anything else they want, dogs and detectors can find almost anything you might think is ‘hidden’ and the only real solution is to find a remote area that’s close enough to access but hard enough to get into that nobody will bother and stash things you want to keep there, trusting nobody will stumble across them by accident or see you going to and from and follow your tracks in.
An abandoned well on a farmstead the forest reclaimed a hundred years ago and a rope works well. The old orchards make great spots for deer or bear hunts and the apples don’t taste that bad either, plus they’re definitely ‘organic’, the worms will attest to that 😉
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A crutch chambered in .22 Hi-Velocity? The crutch is probably long enough to fit an integrated noise suppressor. Fit a 10-15 round magazine and a “fun switch” in the handle.
I knew there was something else I needed to add to my Christmas List.
Crutch guns, or cane guns, have been a thing forever,
Well sponsored, sir.
Crutch gun!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Day_of_the_Jackal_(film)
22Mag. With that length, the velocity should be real nice and fast.
Although, with that diameter, 410 might be better.
But with the .22 Mag you could hide a magazine in the handgrip.
“Day of the Jackal” features a crutch gun- – – – -too bad he missed!
Unfortunately for him, the flic with the MAT49 9mm subgun didn’t.
clear ether
eon
Had one of the little Stinger pen guns come through the pawn shop once. I think you can still find one. Lot of concealed guns have been made and still available but that folding Stinger might be the only “legal” one.
They’re not hard to make. Just be careful with the chamber, the .22lr has a chamber pressure of around 24,000 psi.
I mean, you can make a passable single shot .22 barrel out of 1/4 inch brake line, but it’s not exactly gonna last long.
Bren, it doesn’t have to last a long time; we’re talking a “Get off me” gun that’s going to fire a few rounds and then moulder in a police evidence locker. (While you build another one.)
As mentioned below, while the results of using a “get off me” piece beats the fuck out of not have anything available, one doesn’t want one’s handygun skills to cause you to join the confiscated artwork in the “evidence locker”
for illegal manufacture.
What ‘Moulder’? You use it, then lose it. Cops ask questions, you lawyer up, while the thing gets tossed into the nearest sewer grate, tied to to a plastic bag to float away…
Advantages/Disadvantages to a walking Stick Firearm(I won’t say ‘Crutch Gun,’ as far too many liberals say all guns are crutches)are as follows;
Max range for an effective shot is less than 70 yards, since there are no sights, and trying to add sights will be a dead giveaway as to what you have. That’s for a pistol or rifle round. A shotgun shell, say 410 or 20 gauge, range may be 30 yards. Limited ammo. .22 or Russian submachine gun ammo(the PPSH), Zed(Okay, SAM)might get her Stick to hold a 5-round magazine undetectably. And any Walking Stick firearm designed as a magazine-loaded piece will be hard to disguise.
Advantage is the surprise/shock factor, and sheer weight of the weapon if you end up in hand to hand. Make the barrel the length of the cane, and you have a seriously deadly shillelagh.
Not yet illegal to make your own firearms in the US. All you have to do is make sure you’re not dipping into NFA territory.
PPSh is chambered in 7.62 Tokarev, yeah? That’s basically a very hot loaded 7.63 Mauser. At that point, may as well go 9mm as far as magazine capacity.
You can drill a 1/4″ hole through a piece of broomstick, that’s narrow enough to catch the rim and wide enough to hold the cartridge case, then hit the base with a rock, once…maybe twice, copper pipe works better.
Seen it done 😉 There’s no such thing as a completely ‘gun free’ zone.
Once we found one made from rolled up strips cut from pop cans for a barrel, ground up match heads in mylar ‘cartridges’ made from potato chip bags with pieces of light bulb filament for primers and a 9V battery complete with trigger to fire it.
It put a AAA battery through a piece of sheet metal at a good distance.
One group even made a working cannon they were going to try and blow the gate open with, It couldn’t have done that but I still wouldn’t want to have it aimed at me.
Another time some ‘pipe bombs’ were made from tins filled with ground up match heads and the same filament/battery firing train, set up with a microswitch from a TV for an anti-disturb device…they worked, blew a steel locker apart when one functioned.
20 years in EOD and they still wouldn’t listen when I warned them about other things, like how the ‘instant cold’ packs you just squeeze to activate are nothing but Ammonium Nitrate and water, they were being handed out like candy but my warning went unheeded and indeed even scoffed at openly…until the demonstration 😉
I recall telescoping radio antennas being swiped from cars to make barrels.
Some folks do have time on their hands : )
https://duckduckgo.com/?t=h_&q=crutch+guns&iax=images&ia=images
The right incentive makes a huge difference.
I built a 2-shot .22 short belt buckle out of a rectangle of tool steel once- – – -the strikers were covered with a couple of agate cabochons. Traded it off for a pretty nice pocket pistol.
Or you can pick up an NAA22LR with the belt buckle accessory, love those little revolvers (been carrying one as secondary since ’78) and sold a bunch of them. Last I paid attention though, the buckle had become ironically illegal since it doesn’t (typically) conceal the gun, while CC was fine. Don’t know the current status on that in other states or on OC…
Point being though, a lot easier than making a hidden gun yourself though perhaps not as satisfying…do want to be cognizant of the in-flux legality of home builts though, stupid as fuck but you don’t want to fall into a felony which would then give them access to your whole kit and kaboodle.
Museum in Lima Peru has a wonderful collection of esoteric guns. From swords with shotguns, flintlocks, or rifle rounds, to crotch gun pepperboxes mounted on a very well padded codpiece. In both male and female forms.
Several artificial appendages with various guns in them.
Some that had been used to change the govt in other South American countries.
Dad took us kids there at least six times. Dinosaurs and natural museum stuff was cool and often exchanged wit British museum of natural history, but we always finished in that tightly packed almost redlighted, air conditioned exhibit space.
Her hair grew in fast!
In France around the turn of the last century, you could buy a curved handgrip for your bicycle handlebars with a .22 caliber six-shot pepperbox revolver concealed in the curved end. it was for protection against dogs.
See Firearms Curiosa by Lewis Winant.
cheers
eon
Some additional notes on the subject of Walking Stick Firearms, but first, I would *Love* for Chris’ take on Meritless Garland’s attempt lecture Congress, or ‘parts’ of Congress, on how he does not answer to them or the Whitehouse(Although face it, he is the DNC/PLD’s yappy li’l mongrel).
Now with that out of the way, If you can get licensed to CCW, do so. And if you have to shoot someone, Lawyer up. Other than that, if you’re using a DIY/Homebuilt unit, toss it and lawyer up.
The only problem with a CCW ‘licence’ is that whe nthe time comes, that list goes door-to-door confiscating what they know you own and searching for anything else they want, dogs and detectors can find almost anything you might think is ‘hidden’ and the only real solution is to find a remote area that’s close enough to access but hard enough to get into that nobody will bother and stash things you want to keep there, trusting nobody will stumble across them by accident or see you going to and from and follow your tracks in.
An abandoned well on a farmstead the forest reclaimed a hundred years ago and a rope works well. The old orchards make great spots for deer or bear hunts and the apples don’t taste that bad either, plus they’re definitely ‘organic’, the worms will attest to that 😉