Sorry Chris, not the storyline for this but pretty critical; has anyone seen mention by DT (or, ideally by Elon and Vivek in their anticipated new roles) as to plans going forward for the operation and administration of ATF?
They need to turn it into a chain of convenience stores. Unlike the government takeover of the Mustang Ranch (how in the heck can you go bankrupt running a legal brothel in Nevada?) I’m sure Elon and Vivek could have your new and improved local emporium for Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives turning a tidy profit and paying down the Federal debt in no time.
Heck, give a franchise to Ol’ Bob, the .22 cal. Magnate near the Double D, and it would be a finely tuned machine to print money.
Yes the old c-store joke; ironically my pawn and gun store was located in the same building with the local Texaco station and store for many years; our take on the joke then was that we embodied it; they handled the A and the T, and I took care of the F…
Serious questions about the role of the agency going forward though as they are in the midst of a major expansion and power grab right now, want to see them reduced to a stripped down shell with a skeleton crew.
November 24, 2024 at 11:01 pm
Henry
“(how in the heck can you go bankrupt running a legal brothel in Nevada?)”
The FBI even bankrupted a confiscated lucrative child porn server on the Darkweb, that it was 100% illegal for them to have continued operating in the first place.
November 23, 2024 at 2:52 pm
LowKey
The ATF Convenience Store already exists.
It’s just east of Kingman, AZ.
The joke is 30+ years old, the biz just picked up on it, cute.
November 24, 2024 at 10:14 pm
Wulfenite
Oh please, please let the ATF nominee be Brandon Herrera. Not only is he qualified, but he would be a real agent of change (severe understatement) for this agency.
Headline today that one Senator introduced a bill for their much deserved dissolution.
How about dissolve FBI, ATF, and DEA, then let the agents compete with the Secret Service agents and US Marshalls for the jobs in those two agencies, maybe slightly expanded.
As a follower/fan of Brandon Herrera, I personally think his ideas of taking over as ATF director would be great, because he could literally clean house and remove all the anti-constitutional BS the left has put in there. I do however think he’s a bit optimistic if he thinks he can do so well removing so much of the crap that he can write himself out of a job. BTW, for those of you that drink alcohol, Please brush up on your history a little better please. ATF isn’t JUST firearms. Can the Alcohol and Tobacco side be better suited someplace else, like the FDA? Perhaps. But we really do NOT want another Prohibition to take place for either Alcohol OR Tobacco, and having the AT(F) protect such, means we won’t have another Prohibition.
“Please brush up on your history a little better please. ATF isn’t JUST firearms. Can the Alcohol and Tobacco side be better suited someplace else, like the FDA?”
No, because they have nothing to do with purity or safety, only tax collection.
For years, we used to remind the BATF that they were revenue agents, not law enforcement. Until idiot Bush decided to restructure all the police powers that the fedguv ain’t constitutionally entitled to in the first place into one huge agency, and rammed BATF in there with them.
1. End BATFET. Strictly speaking, it’s a violation of federal law for a law-enforcement agency to also be a revenue (tax collecting) agency, anyway. Beyond that, its recruiting requirements are basically that the agent believe in the Holy Mission of frightening law-abiding citizens into not owning guns. LEO and regulatory agencies should not have Holy Missions, period.
2. Hand control of interstate commerce in firearms to the Interstate Commerce Commission, ICC, which is where it belongs in the first place. Ditto commerce in alcohol and tobacco.
3. The explosives part (yes, that’s why there’s an “E” there) should be handed to OSHA and CPSC. They’re better qualified to handle it, anyway.
4. Interstate law enforcement should be the province of the United States Marshals. Period. Dot. That’s why they were created (by George Washington!) to begin with.
5. FBI should be stripped of most enforcement powers and confined to the investigative function. I’m not even sure they should even be allowed to carry guns. Making it a sort of “super police agency” was one of Calvin Coolidge, Herbert Hoover, and FDR’s bigger mistakes.
6. Agents of BATFET, FBI, etc should for the most part be given early retirement- mandatory. The BATFET agents should also be prohibited from ever serving in any law enforcement capacity, anywhere in the United States, for life, as they have proven to be too unstable to be trusted. If they want to carry a gun, they should have to do it under the statutes of whatever state they live in, just like anybody else.
7. DEA should be abolished, under the same conditions as BATFET. They’ve done more to make illegal drugs a plague than any dozen Mexican cartels. Until we accept that the only way to reduce the drug trade is to make life Hell for the rich, well-connected, trendy types who are the cash cows that make it profitable, the problem will never end. The dime bag dealer on the corner selling to the gang-bangers isn’t the problem; it’s the guy in the Lexus, in the bespoke suit, with the hottie in Georges Hobeika on his arm, who want their “party drugs” that keep the drug trade perking along. Until you make getting high too expensive for them, as in “Go to jail, go directly to jail”, you’re never going to get anywhere.
(Yes, in case you haven’t guessed, I’ve worked with most of the “agencies” at one time or another. Dralm save me from ever having to do it again.)
I”d include the Federal Reserve (an organization of the bankers, by the bankers, for the bankers and their Enablers) on that chopping block.
The ICC as well.
In fact the whole concept of legislation by bureaucracy should be under a microscope with bleach in hand.
The Framers new full well that _any_ organization was subject to corruption from within, and we’ve since seen the result in Wilson’s Progressive Bureaucratic State.
It wasn’t an accident that the USSR folded in only 70 years.
We were well on our way to following them, and for exactly the same reasons.
Always and forever simply ATF to me, wasn’t always so adversarial even under Bubba’s 90’s ban, that really kicked in when it was weaponized (heh) like everything else.
Agreed with the elimination/radical reduction of those letter agencies, but trying to redirect enforcement to upscale users is really just a new version of DEA and the WOD, bad unworkable idea. If they keep it to themselves, let them have their poison. Eliminating the mules solves several problems while the addicted elite just call their paid-for doctors. Kill DEA and the WOD completely.
The only way you ever solve a black market problem is to eliminate the clientele’.
The only way to eliminate the carriage-trade class as the primary market for drugs is to make life horrible for them until they decide that getting high just isn’t worth it.
The “entitled elite'” who flaunt their drug use as a sign of their “enlightenment” and “worldliness” have always been the electrified third rail of U.S. drug policy. I.e., nobody wants to touch them for fear of the consequences of challenging their privilege.
It’s time we removed their “privilege”. Permanently.
Who knows, a few years in GenPop, with the minority “yutes” they romanticize so much, might cause them to reconsider their “philosophy”.
clear ether
eon
November 24, 2024 at 2:12 am
JTC
Sorry sir, absolutely every word of that comment is wrong and wrong-headed, but that first part is not only wrong but an infringement, and borderline criminal on its own merit. Prior restraint? Come on.
November 24, 2024 at 12:16 pm
JTC
On a broader scale, attempting to essentially disrupt the basic tenets of supply/demand?
Doesn’t matter if the demand is free market, gray market, or black market, if the demand is there the supply will follow and nothing can or should be done to attempt intervention as the solution will be worse than the problem…one would think that Prohibition taught us that unequivocally.
Exactly the kind of situation for which the term “the road to hell is paved with good intentions” was coined.
November 23, 2024 at 9:29 am
dds
BATFE does not create infringements.
BATFE IS an infringement.
But on the original topic of Gaetz, Hegseth, et all.
Should we allow them to be kneecapped over their moral lapses by people who have no morals?
Paraphrasing something I read once (John 8:7), “He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at them.
Well Shiite. As I have fond memories of my carefree yooth, there were some absolute hotties around and in more than just looks. Age? Who knew? What she said or was on some “official” card? Damn all of us could be on the hook like Matt. At least none of us knew Epstein.
ATF (alcohol tobacco firearms) back in the day. I was born a mile from this store during a mid-winter storm – no doc within many miles – and frequently shopped there growing up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zS4UgE_0L4Q
Given Gaetz was investigated by the FBI and DOJ during Biden’s residency, resulting in zero charges, this is yet another of those baseless smears which are the stock and trade of the Demoncrats.
Until those making false allegations risk the same consequences as those being accused, this kind of abuse will continue. That includes any politician who makes such accusations third hand.
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Sorry Chris, not the storyline for this but pretty critical; has anyone seen mention by DT (or, ideally by Elon and Vivek in their anticipated new roles) as to plans going forward for the operation and administration of ATF?
JTC,
They need to turn it into a chain of convenience stores. Unlike the government takeover of the Mustang Ranch (how in the heck can you go bankrupt running a legal brothel in Nevada?) I’m sure Elon and Vivek could have your new and improved local emporium for Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives turning a tidy profit and paying down the Federal debt in no time.
Heck, give a franchise to Ol’ Bob, the .22 cal. Magnate near the Double D, and it would be a finely tuned machine to print money.
Yes the old c-store joke; ironically my pawn and gun store was located in the same building with the local Texaco station and store for many years; our take on the joke then was that we embodied it; they handled the A and the T, and I took care of the F…
Serious questions about the role of the agency going forward though as they are in the midst of a major expansion and power grab right now, want to see them reduced to a stripped down shell with a skeleton crew.
“(how in the heck can you go bankrupt running a legal brothel in Nevada?)”
The FBI even bankrupted a confiscated lucrative child porn server on the Darkweb, that it was 100% illegal for them to have continued operating in the first place.
The ATF Convenience Store already exists.
It’s just east of Kingman, AZ.
The joke is 30+ years old, the biz just picked up on it, cute.
Oh please, please let the ATF nominee be Brandon Herrera. Not only is he qualified, but he would be a real agent of change (severe understatement) for this agency.
Headline today that one Senator introduced a bill for their much deserved dissolution.
How about dissolve FBI, ATF, and DEA, then let the agents compete with the Secret Service agents and US Marshalls for the jobs in those two agencies, maybe slightly expanded.
Yeah, let’s get rid of the
Bureau About To Fuck Everybody!
Put Ted Nugent in charge and, aside from moral objections, everyone would be required to own a machine gun. 🙂
Your proposal is acceptable. 🙂 The confirmation hearings alone would boost popcorn futures by at least 10%…
What was the Boot Guy’s slogan? Oh right: “Vermin Supreme for benevolent dictator, he’ll take away your guns and give you better guns!”
Caught a blurb that totally cracked me up……..someone nominated Brandon Herrera to replace ‘Diddledick’ as head of the ATF!!!
Personally I think it’s a great idea……:-D 😀
As a follower/fan of Brandon Herrera, I personally think his ideas of taking over as ATF director would be great, because he could literally clean house and remove all the anti-constitutional BS the left has put in there. I do however think he’s a bit optimistic if he thinks he can do so well removing so much of the crap that he can write himself out of a job. BTW, for those of you that drink alcohol, Please brush up on your history a little better please. ATF isn’t JUST firearms. Can the Alcohol and Tobacco side be better suited someplace else, like the FDA? Perhaps. But we really do NOT want another Prohibition to take place for either Alcohol OR Tobacco, and having the AT(F) protect such, means we won’t have another Prohibition.
“Please brush up on your history a little better please. ATF isn’t JUST firearms. Can the Alcohol and Tobacco side be better suited someplace else, like the FDA?”
No, because they have nothing to do with purity or safety, only tax collection.
For years, we used to remind the BATF that they were revenue agents, not law enforcement. Until idiot Bush decided to restructure all the police powers that the fedguv ain’t constitutionally entitled to in the first place into one huge agency, and rammed BATF in there with them.
“Enjoy the show” – Q
I would take a wrecking ball to DoJ as it is.
1. End BATFET. Strictly speaking, it’s a violation of federal law for a law-enforcement agency to also be a revenue (tax collecting) agency, anyway. Beyond that, its recruiting requirements are basically that the agent believe in the Holy Mission of frightening law-abiding citizens into not owning guns. LEO and regulatory agencies should not have Holy Missions, period.
2. Hand control of interstate commerce in firearms to the Interstate Commerce Commission, ICC, which is where it belongs in the first place. Ditto commerce in alcohol and tobacco.
3. The explosives part (yes, that’s why there’s an “E” there) should be handed to OSHA and CPSC. They’re better qualified to handle it, anyway.
4. Interstate law enforcement should be the province of the United States Marshals. Period. Dot. That’s why they were created (by George Washington!) to begin with.
5. FBI should be stripped of most enforcement powers and confined to the investigative function. I’m not even sure they should even be allowed to carry guns. Making it a sort of “super police agency” was one of Calvin Coolidge, Herbert Hoover, and FDR’s bigger mistakes.
6. Agents of BATFET, FBI, etc should for the most part be given early retirement- mandatory. The BATFET agents should also be prohibited from ever serving in any law enforcement capacity, anywhere in the United States, for life, as they have proven to be too unstable to be trusted. If they want to carry a gun, they should have to do it under the statutes of whatever state they live in, just like anybody else.
7. DEA should be abolished, under the same conditions as BATFET. They’ve done more to make illegal drugs a plague than any dozen Mexican cartels. Until we accept that the only way to reduce the drug trade is to make life Hell for the rich, well-connected, trendy types who are the cash cows that make it profitable, the problem will never end. The dime bag dealer on the corner selling to the gang-bangers isn’t the problem; it’s the guy in the Lexus, in the bespoke suit, with the hottie in Georges Hobeika on his arm, who want their “party drugs” that keep the drug trade perking along. Until you make getting high too expensive for them, as in “Go to jail, go directly to jail”, you’re never going to get anywhere.
(Yes, in case you haven’t guessed, I’ve worked with most of the “agencies” at one time or another. Dralm save me from ever having to do it again.)
clear ether
eon
I”d include the Federal Reserve (an organization of the bankers, by the bankers, for the bankers and their Enablers) on that chopping block.
The ICC as well.
In fact the whole concept of legislation by bureaucracy should be under a microscope with bleach in hand.
The Framers new full well that _any_ organization was subject to corruption from within, and we’ve since seen the result in Wilson’s Progressive Bureaucratic State.
It wasn’t an accident that the USSR folded in only 70 years.
We were well on our way to following them, and for exactly the same reasons.
Always and forever simply ATF to me, wasn’t always so adversarial even under Bubba’s 90’s ban, that really kicked in when it was weaponized (heh) like everything else.
Agreed with the elimination/radical reduction of those letter agencies, but trying to redirect enforcement to upscale users is really just a new version of DEA and the WOD, bad unworkable idea. If they keep it to themselves, let them have their poison. Eliminating the mules solves several problems while the addicted elite just call their paid-for doctors. Kill DEA and the WOD completely.
The only way you ever solve a black market problem is to eliminate the clientele’.
The only way to eliminate the carriage-trade class as the primary market for drugs is to make life horrible for them until they decide that getting high just isn’t worth it.
The “entitled elite'” who flaunt their drug use as a sign of their “enlightenment” and “worldliness” have always been the electrified third rail of U.S. drug policy. I.e., nobody wants to touch them for fear of the consequences of challenging their privilege.
It’s time we removed their “privilege”. Permanently.
Who knows, a few years in GenPop, with the minority “yutes” they romanticize so much, might cause them to reconsider their “philosophy”.
clear ether
eon
Sorry sir, absolutely every word of that comment is wrong and wrong-headed, but that first part is not only wrong but an infringement, and borderline criminal on its own merit. Prior restraint? Come on.
On a broader scale, attempting to essentially disrupt the basic tenets of supply/demand?
Doesn’t matter if the demand is free market, gray market, or black market, if the demand is there the supply will follow and nothing can or should be done to attempt intervention as the solution will be worse than the problem…one would think that Prohibition taught us that unequivocally.
Exactly the kind of situation for which the term “the road to hell is paved with good intentions” was coined.
BATFE does not create infringements.
BATFE IS an infringement.
But on the original topic of Gaetz, Hegseth, et all.
Should we allow them to be kneecapped over their moral lapses by people who have no morals?
Paraphrasing something I read once (John 8:7), “He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at them.
You’re up, Hunter!
Well Shiite. As I have fond memories of my carefree yooth, there were some absolute hotties around and in more than just looks. Age? Who knew? What she said or was on some “official” card? Damn all of us could be on the hook like Matt. At least none of us knew Epstein.
ATF (alcohol tobacco firearms) back in the day. I was born a mile from this store during a mid-winter storm – no doc within many miles – and frequently shopped there growing up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zS4UgE_0L4Q
Given Gaetz was investigated by the FBI and DOJ during Biden’s residency, resulting in zero charges, this is yet another of those baseless smears which are the stock and trade of the Demoncrats.
Until those making false allegations risk the same consequences as those being accused, this kind of abuse will continue. That includes any politician who makes such accusations third hand.
We need a few more- or a lot more- Reynolds vs. Pegler/i> proceedings.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reynolds_v._Pegler
I do, however, take issue with Pegler being defined as “right-wing”. Louis Nizer had exactly the opposite opinion of him in My Life in Court.
clear ether
eon