Didn’t the lamestream media claim the Hildabeast had more than 30 years of public service? By this point, she shoulda been… well… competent?
January 9, 2017 at 11:52 pm
eon
As my mother used to say, there’s a big difference between getting 30 years of experience, and getting one year of experience 30 times.
Plus, Hillary’s experience was mainly in lying, cheating, and stealing. And she wasn’t even very good at those.
clear ether
eon
January 10, 2017 at 12:48 am
NotYetInACamp
Up until trump, all of those evil qualities won it for politicians.
I heard that it did not matter what they did in a job, just that it was on their resume.
That is a formula for losers and for destroying a country, corporation, world, or a political party.
January 10, 2017 at 7:43 pm
WayneM
Your mother had great wisdom, eon… and you’re doing okay too.
No person who has served 3 terms as a Representative shall be eligible for election to the House of Representatives. For purposes of this section, the election of a person to fill a vacancy in the House of Representatives shall be included as 1 term in determining the number of terms that such person has served as a Representative if the person fills the vacancy for more than 1 year.
SECTION 2.
No person who has served 2 terms as a Senator shall be eligible for election or appointment to the Senate. For purposes of this section, the election or appointment of a person to fill a vacancy in the Senate shall be included as 1 term in determining the number of terms that such person has served as a Senator if the person fills the vacancy for more than 3 years.
SECTION 3.
No term beginning before the date of the ratification of this article shall be taken into account in determining eligibility for election or appointment under this article.
In short, those sitting now would be term-limited only after the Amendment is ratified. So, if they can prevail upon their friends in the State Legislatures to delay, delay, delay in ratifying it, they can have the appearance of being in favor of term limits without having to be subject to same themselves.
Remind me again why I’m supposed to trust these bastards?
clear ether
eon
January 10, 2017 at 12:15 am
Kafiroon
Well of course; the longer you are there the more money you get to stea… obtai… earn. That’s it, earn.
January 10, 2017 at 1:09 am
Interventor
May not like the last part, but probably needed to sell to congress.
But they will be subject to term limits in future elections. It’s only the terms before that won’t count. Either way, they’ll be gone in 6-8 years. Non-issue.
January 10, 2017 at 9:57 am
SOB
Make section 2 a lot simpler, just repeal the 17th amendment. That will also get rid of 90% of the money in politics.
January 10, 2017 at 3:19 pm
Arkelk
I would love to have the 17th Amendment repealed. I think it destroyed a lot of the proper balance between the states and the federal government. (I. e., the federal government is a creation of the states uniting together, not states being merely subdivisions of one entity.)
January 10, 2017 at 10:15 am
doc
There are potential legal issues with passing laws with retroactive effect (on the criminal law side, those are unconstitutional as “ex post facto” laws; on the non-criminal law side, they often run afoul of substantive due process).
January 10, 2017 at 3:37 pm
Old Codger
1. To answer Naomi’s question, yes most people get better doing something the longer they’re at it. The problem is that congress critters have power and power corrupts so all they really get better at is the acquisition and retention of power; power which they seldom – if ever – exercise for the betterment of the people they are SUPPOSED to represent.
2. What is in it for the pols currently in office to support an amendment? Unless the amendment completely grandfathered those who voted for it – i.e. only applied to people elected AFTER ratification – then, no matter what, they would be voting themselves out of office eventually. I cannot see ANY of the current crop of pols committing political suicide in such a manner.
January 10, 2017 at 4:09 pm
Bunker Builder
Terms limits are silly, the permanent civil service would end up running the government as the temp offices are given side show activities.
The US military found that constantly rotating commanding officers to quickly leaves the levers of power in hands of the long term “support” staff…
We have term limits now every 2 and 6 years, If we get a good office holder let us keep him/her till death or corruption….
January 10, 2017 at 12:12 am
jackdeth72
Ummmmm….
When did ‘Toly and Naomi have a baby?
January 10, 2017 at 12:37 am
Pamela
Nikolai was born 03/02/2015
January 10, 2017 at 3:31 am
jackdeth72
Thanks, Pamela.
January 10, 2017 at 10:44 am
Spin Drift
Nikolai must be a red shirt newborn. He would be almost into his terrible twos by now.
Spin
P.S. It doesn’t get any easier as a parent these days whether it is the terrible twos or the terrible twenty-twos.
Or forty-twos. Not terrible, just ‘spensive. Houses, cars, etc.
When is it done? The day you die I guess. Could be worse though…my three are bright, productive, loving, and (so far) we can afford the investment.
January 10, 2017 at 4:13 pm
Chris Muir
Updated Nikolai, lil’ bastard is near 2 years old, not a newborn!
January 10, 2017 at 4:21 pm
NotYetInACamp
How time flies.
Why, I updated and saw Nikolai grow up in an instant.
They grow so fast.
January 10, 2017 at 4:27 pm
Chris Muir
Pretty much the same way I gain weight.Arghhh
January 10, 2017 at 5:06 pm
Pamela
I know a real easy way to keep that from happening…
January 10, 2017 at 5:51 pm
NotYetInACamp
Sometime we do want, and sometimes we do not want efficiency.
I will not ask Pamela what her answer is.
January 10, 2017 at 8:22 pm
Pamela
NYIAC
It’s the “do I really need to put that in my mouth” question.
Dropped 30 pounds in the last 6 months following it.
Also got laid off after 10 years and had my blood pressure drop 50 points.
What did you think I meant? 😉
January 10, 2017 at 5:04 pm
Pamela
Oh Lord that means he’s CLIMBING! Two year olds have no fear.
Where Tabasco located?
January 10, 2017 at 5:56 pm
NotYetInACamp
Under the two year old.
Two year olds rule, you know.
Those horns make great riding holds.
Tabasco may have an anthropomorphic heart. Or just know who belongs there. (My mother tied me to her with a rope for a while because I climbed the scaffolding at the stained glass window repair at the church across the street. I had fun on the climb. I still remember it. There was no problem.)
Excuse me for sounding ignerent, but would someone explain the second word balloon to me? “The Second Ave subway in NYC……(etc)….”
Just sailing right over my head. Thanks.
January 10, 2017 at 1:41 am
Vince
Second Avenue Subway just recently opened after being started in the 1910s(?). Tim Cook has over seen Apple losing market and money since he started.
January 10, 2017 at 1:47 am
Lon Mead
Initially proposed in 1919, first phase construction began in 1972, and as of January 1 of this year, 3 of 16 stations are up and running.
But still faster than your cable company!
January 10, 2017 at 2:21 am
Thundercloud65
That sounds like a typical government project. Take 98 years to get a project done poorly.
I wonder if the politician who originally proposed it way back then described it as shovel ready jobs?? I’d bet on yes. They are pretty good at repeating the same lies over and over.
January 10, 2017 at 3:02 am
Bill M
Shovel ready alright. But not sure I want any part of the BS they’re shovelin’
10,000 hours count if you’re using them to practice for the purpose of improving.
It’s also important to be trying to improve skills that are acceptable, not the venality that the Hildabeast was working on.
January 10, 2017 at 9:07 am
WayneM
Indeed but 10,000 of practicing the same maneuver badly means the wrong is entrenched… hence, the Hildabeast.
January 10, 2017 at 9:36 am
GWB
Dad always said “Practice doesn’t make perfect. Practice makes permanent. Perfect practice makes perfect.”
January 10, 2017 at 5:57 pm
NotYetInACamp
Bingo!
January 10, 2017 at 9:22 am
PaulS
Perhaps I’ve been slow on the uptake, but there seems to be a common theme running about half the world.
One side sees truth as a virtue, the other can’t seem to tell the truth at all, or actually promotes lying. Basically I’m down to who has made a deal with the devil, and the price of that deal, Mohamedans,liberals, socialists, etc…
January 10, 2017 at 11:04 am
Kindly But Weird Uncle Bob
While it is unarguable that careerists in Congress accumulate and abuse power and prestige, that is only part of the problem. The other part is the power of the (mostly) faceless senior bureaucrats who take the badly conceived, poorly worded laws passed by Congress and develop the regulations to implement them. Shortening time of service for congresscritters would probably result in less oversight of the bureaucracies. I think it would also be necessary to make government employment limited to 5 years (?) and then out- no horizontal transfers, just 5 and done.
Of course what really needs to happen is for pretty much EVERY federal agency to be pruned back about 70%, and in many cases outright eliminated.
January 10, 2017 at 4:02 pm
Old Codger
“bureaucrats who take the badly conceived, poorlydeliberately vaguely and looselyworded laws passed by Congress and develop the regulations to implement them”
The archives of back issues of “Imprimis” are searchable. I would recommend going to https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/ and perusing current and back issues. You’ll find it enlightening and enjoyable. Enjoyable because it will be so novel to read something published by an institute of higher learning which is not utterly filled with progressive hogwash (although, come to think if it, I rather doubt that the spew of progs rises to the level of qualifying as “hog wash”).
January 10, 2017 at 12:01 pm
cfm56dash7
My concern with term limits spins out of time spent in Texas. If the legislators don’t control the government, either because they’re term limited out or the house only sits for a few months in alternate years, the control falls to career bureaucrats who’ve been on their commissions forever. One ends up with a shadow government that is accountable to no one and nearly impossible to dislodge.
Ultimately, the answer is weaning the money from the government. If the gov’t doesn’t have cash and goodies to dole out, if they don’t have the power to choose who will win and who will lose, the better answers will rise from the marketplace. Why would lobbyists spend anything to influence a congressman who isn’t really powerful enough to do him favors?
I fear that term limits will make it harder to effect real change.
January 10, 2017 at 5:21 pm
John
The solution is simple and utterly impossible because the Powers That Be will fight it tooth and nail.
You contract out the Bureaucracy.
Private Enterprise would happily cut the cost of administration in half and make a mint on the excess that’s left. And all the time keep up that efficiency just because other private enterprises are waiting in the wings looking of signs of weakness that will put them on the Gravy Train instead.
Short of a Revolution this will never occur because the Bureaucracy, the Legislature, and the Administration are dependent on each other for their many perks.
January 10, 2017 at 12:25 pm
Tuna
Chris, did you do the cover art for “The Future Rhymes?”
January 10, 2017 at 3:35 pm
Chris Muir
yup
January 10, 2017 at 1:39 pm
Pamela
Never stop practicing even when the parameters of efficiency are at optimal.
Sam, did you remember to untie Zed? Or are you waiting to see how long it takes his skills to kick in?
January 10, 2017 at 3:36 pm
Mort
Re: Senator Sessions confirmation hearing, Senator Cruz
just laid it out, and gave the Democratic side the equivalent
of a thrashing, by condemning them for their silence on
everything from “Fast and Furious” to “Sanctuary Cities”,
when Eric Holder was the Attorney General.
Cruz asked Sessions if he would support the Republicans
position on anything not following the Constitution as
had been the practice with Democrats during the Obama
administration, he, of course answered he would not.
This was interrupted a couple of time with demonstrations
of ‘Free Speech’ by howling members of the radical left.
January 10, 2017 at 6:44 pm
Doc Epador
If the electorate was responsible, term limits would not be considered. We put them in after the disaster of FDR. How’s that working for us?
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Didn’t the lamestream media claim the Hildabeast had more than 30 years of public service? By this point, she shoulda been… well… competent?
As my mother used to say, there’s a big difference between getting 30 years of experience, and getting one year of experience 30 times.
Plus, Hillary’s experience was mainly in lying, cheating, and stealing. And she wasn’t even very good at those.
clear ether
eon
Up until trump, all of those evil qualities won it for politicians.
I heard that it did not matter what they did in a job, just that it was on their resume.
That is a formula for losers and for destroying a country, corporation, world, or a political party.
Your mother had great wisdom, eon… and you’re doing okay too.
Senator Cruz and Representative DeSantis’ proposed term limits amendment… http://www.cruz.senate.gov/files/documents/Bills/20170103_TermLimitsBill.pdf
The gist of it is;
In short, those sitting now would be term-limited only after the Amendment is ratified. So, if they can prevail upon their friends in the State Legislatures to delay, delay, delay in ratifying it, they can have the appearance of being in favor of term limits without having to be subject to same themselves.
Remind me again why I’m supposed to trust these bastards?
clear ether
eon
Well of course; the longer you are there the more money you get to stea… obtai… earn. That’s it, earn.
May not like the last part, but probably needed to sell to congress.
Lots would be unable to run again.
But they will be subject to term limits in future elections. It’s only the terms before that won’t count. Either way, they’ll be gone in 6-8 years. Non-issue.
Make section 2 a lot simpler, just repeal the 17th amendment. That will also get rid of 90% of the money in politics.
I would love to have the 17th Amendment repealed. I think it destroyed a lot of the proper balance between the states and the federal government. (I. e., the federal government is a creation of the states uniting together, not states being merely subdivisions of one entity.)
There are potential legal issues with passing laws with retroactive effect (on the criminal law side, those are unconstitutional as “ex post facto” laws; on the non-criminal law side, they often run afoul of substantive due process).
1. To answer Naomi’s question, yes most people get better doing something the longer they’re at it. The problem is that congress critters have power and power corrupts so all they really get better at is the acquisition and retention of power; power which they seldom – if ever – exercise for the betterment of the people they are SUPPOSED to represent.
2. What is in it for the pols currently in office to support an amendment? Unless the amendment completely grandfathered those who voted for it – i.e. only applied to people elected AFTER ratification – then, no matter what, they would be voting themselves out of office eventually. I cannot see ANY of the current crop of pols committing political suicide in such a manner.
Terms limits are silly, the permanent civil service would end up running the government as the temp offices are given side show activities.
The US military found that constantly rotating commanding officers to quickly leaves the levers of power in hands of the long term “support” staff…
We have term limits now every 2 and 6 years, If we get a good office holder let us keep him/her till death or corruption….
Ummmmm….
When did ‘Toly and Naomi have a baby?
Nikolai was born 03/02/2015
Thanks, Pamela.
Nikolai must be a red shirt newborn. He would be almost into his terrible twos by now.
Spin
P.S. It doesn’t get any easier as a parent these days whether it is the terrible twos or the terrible twenty-twos.
Or forty-twos. Not terrible, just ‘spensive. Houses, cars, etc.
When is it done? The day you die I guess. Could be worse though…my three are bright, productive, loving, and (so far) we can afford the investment.
Updated Nikolai, lil’ bastard is near 2 years old, not a newborn!
How time flies.
Why, I updated and saw Nikolai grow up in an instant.
They grow so fast.
Pretty much the same way I gain weight.Arghhh
I know a real easy way to keep that from happening…
Sometime we do want, and sometimes we do not want efficiency.
I will not ask Pamela what her answer is.
NYIAC
It’s the “do I really need to put that in my mouth” question.
Dropped 30 pounds in the last 6 months following it.
Also got laid off after 10 years and had my blood pressure drop 50 points.
What did you think I meant? 😉
Oh Lord that means he’s CLIMBING! Two year olds have no fear.
Where Tabasco located?
Under the two year old.
Two year olds rule, you know.
Those horns make great riding holds.
Tabasco may have an anthropomorphic heart. Or just know who belongs there. (My mother tied me to her with a rope for a while because I climbed the scaffolding at the stained glass window repair at the church across the street. I had fun on the climb. I still remember it. There was no problem.)
“That didn’t take long.”
Wham-bam-thankya-ma’am…(snore)
Efficiency…yeah, that’s the ticket.
Excuse me for sounding ignerent, but would someone explain the second word balloon to me? “The Second Ave subway in NYC……(etc)….”
Just sailing right over my head. Thanks.
Second Avenue Subway just recently opened after being started in the 1910s(?). Tim Cook has over seen Apple losing market and money since he started.
Initially proposed in 1919, first phase construction began in 1972, and as of January 1 of this year, 3 of 16 stations are up and running.
But still faster than your cable company!
That sounds like a typical government project. Take 98 years to get a project done poorly.
I wonder if the politician who originally proposed it way back then described it as shovel ready jobs?? I’d bet on yes. They are pretty good at repeating the same lies over and over.
Shovel ready alright. But not sure I want any part of the BS they’re shovelin’
Power corrupts, etc.
10,000 hours count if you’re using them to practice for the purpose of improving.
It’s also important to be trying to improve skills that are acceptable, not the venality that the Hildabeast was working on.
Indeed but 10,000 of practicing the same maneuver badly means the wrong is entrenched… hence, the Hildabeast.
Dad always said “Practice doesn’t make perfect. Practice makes permanent. Perfect practice makes perfect.”
Bingo!
Perhaps I’ve been slow on the uptake, but there seems to be a common theme running about half the world.
One side sees truth as a virtue, the other can’t seem to tell the truth at all, or actually promotes lying. Basically I’m down to who has made a deal with the devil, and the price of that deal, Mohamedans,liberals, socialists, etc…
While it is unarguable that careerists in Congress accumulate and abuse power and prestige, that is only part of the problem. The other part is the power of the (mostly) faceless senior bureaucrats who take the badly conceived, poorly worded laws passed by Congress and develop the regulations to implement them. Shortening time of service for congresscritters would probably result in less oversight of the bureaucracies. I think it would also be necessary to make government employment limited to 5 years (?) and then out- no horizontal transfers, just 5 and done.
Of course what really needs to happen is for pretty much EVERY federal agency to be pruned back about 70%, and in many cases outright eliminated.
“bureaucrats who take the badly conceived,
poorlydeliberately vaguely and looselyworded laws passed by Congress and develop the regulations to implement them”There was an excellent piece on administrative law published in a past issue of Hillsdale College’s outstanding (FREE) publication “Imprimis”.
https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/the-history-and-danger-of-administrative-law/
and an earlier piece:
https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/budget-battles-and-the-growth-of-the-administrative-state/
The archives of back issues of “Imprimis” are searchable. I would recommend going to https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/ and perusing current and back issues. You’ll find it enlightening and enjoyable. Enjoyable because it will be so novel to read something published by an institute of higher learning which is not utterly filled with progressive hogwash (although, come to think if it, I rather doubt that the spew of progs rises to the level of qualifying as “hog wash”).
My concern with term limits spins out of time spent in Texas. If the legislators don’t control the government, either because they’re term limited out or the house only sits for a few months in alternate years, the control falls to career bureaucrats who’ve been on their commissions forever. One ends up with a shadow government that is accountable to no one and nearly impossible to dislodge.
Ultimately, the answer is weaning the money from the government. If the gov’t doesn’t have cash and goodies to dole out, if they don’t have the power to choose who will win and who will lose, the better answers will rise from the marketplace. Why would lobbyists spend anything to influence a congressman who isn’t really powerful enough to do him favors?
I fear that term limits will make it harder to effect real change.
The solution is simple and utterly impossible because the Powers That Be will fight it tooth and nail.
You contract out the Bureaucracy.
Private Enterprise would happily cut the cost of administration in half and make a mint on the excess that’s left. And all the time keep up that efficiency just because other private enterprises are waiting in the wings looking of signs of weakness that will put them on the Gravy Train instead.
Short of a Revolution this will never occur because the Bureaucracy, the Legislature, and the Administration are dependent on each other for their many perks.
Chris, did you do the cover art for “The Future Rhymes?”
yup
Never stop practicing even when the parameters of efficiency are at optimal.
Sam, did you remember to untie Zed? Or are you waiting to see how long it takes his skills to kick in?
Re: Senator Sessions confirmation hearing, Senator Cruz
just laid it out, and gave the Democratic side the equivalent
of a thrashing, by condemning them for their silence on
everything from “Fast and Furious” to “Sanctuary Cities”,
when Eric Holder was the Attorney General.
Cruz asked Sessions if he would support the Republicans
position on anything not following the Constitution as
had been the practice with Democrats during the Obama
administration, he, of course answered he would not.
This was interrupted a couple of time with demonstrations
of ‘Free Speech’ by howling members of the radical left.
If the electorate was responsible, term limits would not be considered. We put them in after the disaster of FDR. How’s that working for us?
GRUBER!