Some verb tenses are a bit off, but otherwise this is a good article without hysteria. Does a great job showing the effectiveness of Kali’s gun laws.
Santa Clarita shooting: Weapon used in Saugus High attack a ‘ghost gun,’ sheriff says …
Sheriff’s homicide detectives are trying to determine who built the .45-caliber handgun, a 1911-model pistol. The weapon included a partially built receiver, meaning it did not contain a serial number.
…
The teen’s late father owned an arsenal of weapons, and when law enforcement searched the boy’s home last week, a cache of guns — many of which were unregistered — was seized.
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“About a third of all firearms seized in Southern California now are unserialized, and that is expected to grow,” Ginger Colbrun, a spokeswoman for the Los Angeles region’s ATF office, told The Times in August.
Not to be confused with gang guns with numbers removed that have been around forever and outnumber kit guns by at least a thousand to one. As do the operators of them and the crimes committed with them.
But that does not fit the narrative or the shock value.
Norinco wants to get all those old 7.62 x 39mm Type 56 AK clones out of the warehouses.
And Xi has no problem with them going to drug gangs that feed money into his coffers and help destabilize the United States in furtherance of his 8th Century AD style dreams of empire.
The fact that CA , IN and NY, three of the “More Woke Than Thou” states, are the major recipients of the results mainly due to their also being the homes of some of the biggest revenue sources for the drug barons (what would a cocktail party for the elite’ be without a few kays of nose candy?), could be defined as either dramatic irony or poetic justice depending on the state of one’s liver.
clear ether
eon
November 22, 2019 at 11:59 am
John
IN? Or do you mean IL?
November 22, 2019 at 4:20 pm
interventor
Indiana certainly isn’t woke/ Illinois, about 50 miles south of Chi-town isn’t either.
Sure didn’t know they were slipping that crap into their fentanyl poison shipments, but why not? Any repercussions would only be on the receiving end and they can’t stop all of it.
Well remember the crates of junk AK’s from my dealer days, pre-ban they were $690 for a crate of ten slathered in some stinky ass grease (not real cosmolene). They were surface rusty even back then, can’t imagine the condition now after years in the warehouse. But yeah, the perfect thug guns, and notice you never hear of trace results on that crap unless it goes through an FFL or gunshow seller they can ruin.
Removing serial numbers is a felony, having a defaced gun is also a crime. A “ghost gun” you made yourself doesn’t have to forever be solely owned by you and can eventually be sold, just not often enough that you’re arguably manufacturing finished firearms. So legally you’re better off with a ghost gun.
However Cali gotta Commie, so Guv Brown required all finished firearms have serial numbers. Ghost guns are verboten, you must apply for a Cali DOJ number for guns finished after 1 July 2018 (registration), for guns before that there must be a BATF-compliant number inscribed but it doesn’t need to be reported.
So defaced is a federal crime, illegal everywhere. Unnumbered is a crime only in Cali. BUT, if it was a Cali DOJ-only number, or a Cali-required manufacturer-like unregistered number, I don’t see an issue removing it when the gun is permanently shipped outside of Cali as only they required it inside their state, disclaimer IANAL.
Legally it’s much better to have a ghost gun than a defaced one, even in Cali, and machine tools are historically cheap. Heck, for $2000 and up you can get a benchtop 3-axis CNC router that could make a usable aluminum receiver starting from a block. So defaced are the “cheap and stupid” option for criminals, smarter ones will increasingly go with unmarked.
Good to have the not a lawyer disclaimer there because much of that could be misconstrued and fuck some people up majorly; no lawyer would ever suggest calling gov’s hand on any of it.
Correct all defaced number guns are illegal even if produced during the era when numbers were not required of makers. If they were numbered and it is removed, it’s a felony. But of course the thugs that traffic in the things are doing so specifically to commit other felonies so one more is of no concern to them.
And correct that fed law currently does not disallow homemade guns without numbers and that it is increasingly easy and inexpensive to do that. But those that do so are highly unlikely to be the citizens using them to commit crimes; more along the lines of hobbyists willing and able to make the still significant investment for personal fulfillment and also to stick it to the man who seeks to control them more and more.
Still, many will end up selling (or more correctly transferring) said handiwork and that does trigger the very punitive laws of being an unlicensed manufacturer (not the same as unlicensed dealer which is very nebulous to prove and does allow some sales and commerce in privately owned guns). Very important distinction, and one that can lock your ass up and cost you big if you can be tracked to guns that you built and ended up owned by someone else. Build a gun for fun? For now at least, go for it. But don’t slip into the for fun and profit trap, that gives the same agencies that turn a blind eye to altered street guns in the hands of actual you know, criminals, the method they seek to go after legal owners and defenders of 2A rights…it’s those guys they are after, lbecause ike someone else here said, it ain’t about the guns, it’s about the control.
November 22, 2019 at 12:50 am
Toxic Deplorable Racist B Woodman
A .22, .25, or .380, something little Samuel can handle at his age, and grow into.
A court decision in 1970 ruled that convicted criminals could not be required to turn in firearms, as that would violate their Fifth Amendment rights against self-incrimination.
This would seem to be cut from the same cloth.
It once more shows that criminals have never been the “targets” of gun control. It has always been about disarming law-abiding citizens to leave them at the mercy of government officials who may then do as they please with no risk.
Criminals are a necessary part of that equation. The Prime Order of the Empire is “Terror Must Be Maintained”.
When was the last time a drug gang attacked a member of the ruling elite’?
Quite aside from not wanting to confront their armed bodyguards, the drug dealers aren’t about to harm their best customers.
Hell of an indictment of elites running a giant organized protection racket that’ll never see the inside of a court ain’t it?
FYI though, the felon in possession thing applies very similarly to regular and heretofore law-abiding gun-owners as to things like bump-fire stocks (legally classified as firearms under new regs). They might want you to turn them in but nobody does and it doesn’t really matter because the plan is to make possession a felony if/when some other issue or reason (red-flag anybody?) gives LE access to your home and possessions or you go to sell one through a dealer.
Then that becomes a separate felony conviction that will fuck you up for any other trivial pursuit you might want to engage in, like you know, vote, or maintain the means of protection for your family, because all your guns got to go at that point.
An aside is that several times over the years in the pawn business when someone sold or pawned a firearm to me (sometimes thinking it was the thing to do to get it out of their possession) and they had a felony record? That paperwork that I filed was then used as proof of felon in possession and bought them a ticket straight to jail.
So yeah, active confiscation or forced buyback ain’t their plan but the back-door access is a bitch both for those that deserve to be fucked up, and many that don’t…and it is the latter group that are the real target, so to speak.
And then there was the Johnny Seven One Man Army. How did any survive that? BTW, searching to be sure I had the name right, which I didn’t, I saw one on ebay for $695.00.
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Some verb tenses are a bit off, but otherwise this is a good article without hysteria. Does a great job showing the effectiveness of Kali’s gun laws.
Santa Clarita shooting: Weapon used in Saugus High attack a ‘ghost gun,’ sheriff says
…
Sheriff’s homicide detectives are trying to determine who built the .45-caliber handgun, a 1911-model pistol. The weapon included a partially built receiver, meaning it did not contain a serial number.
…
The teen’s late father owned an arsenal of weapons, and when law enforcement searched the boy’s home last week, a cache of guns — many of which were unregistered — was seized.
…
“About a third of all firearms seized in Southern California now are unserialized, and that is expected to grow,” Ginger Colbrun, a spokeswoman for the Los Angeles region’s ATF office, told The Times in August.
The new scare word from the left “ghost gun”. Sounds a lot worse than “kit gun”.
Not to be confused with gang guns with numbers removed that have been around forever and outnumber kit guns by at least a thousand to one. As do the operators of them and the crimes committed with them.
But that does not fit the narrative or the shock value.
Also NTM weapons coming in from Red China along with opioid shipments.
After all, now that they’ve adopted the new Chinese Army rifle;
http://www.military-today.com/firearms/qbz_19.htm
Norinco wants to get all those old 7.62 x 39mm Type 56 AK clones out of the warehouses.
And Xi has no problem with them going to drug gangs that feed money into his coffers and help destabilize the United States in furtherance of his 8th Century AD style dreams of empire.
The fact that CA , IN and NY, three of the “More Woke Than Thou” states, are the major recipients of the results mainly due to their also being the homes of some of the biggest revenue sources for the drug barons (what would a cocktail party for the elite’ be without a few kays of nose candy?), could be defined as either dramatic irony or poetic justice depending on the state of one’s liver.
clear ether
eon
IN? Or do you mean IL?
Indiana certainly isn’t woke/ Illinois, about 50 miles south of Chi-town isn’t either.
Sure didn’t know they were slipping that crap into their fentanyl poison shipments, but why not? Any repercussions would only be on the receiving end and they can’t stop all of it.
Well remember the crates of junk AK’s from my dealer days, pre-ban they were $690 for a crate of ten slathered in some stinky ass grease (not real cosmolene). They were surface rusty even back then, can’t imagine the condition now after years in the warehouse. But yeah, the perfect thug guns, and notice you never hear of trace results on that crap unless it goes through an FFL or gunshow seller they can ruin.
Removing serial numbers is a felony, having a defaced gun is also a crime. A “ghost gun” you made yourself doesn’t have to forever be solely owned by you and can eventually be sold, just not often enough that you’re arguably manufacturing finished firearms. So legally you’re better off with a ghost gun.
However Cali gotta Commie, so Guv Brown required all finished firearms have serial numbers. Ghost guns are verboten, you must apply for a Cali DOJ number for guns finished after 1 July 2018 (registration), for guns before that there must be a BATF-compliant number inscribed but it doesn’t need to be reported.
So defaced is a federal crime, illegal everywhere. Unnumbered is a crime only in Cali. BUT, if it was a Cali DOJ-only number, or a Cali-required manufacturer-like unregistered number, I don’t see an issue removing it when the gun is permanently shipped outside of Cali as only they required it inside their state, disclaimer IANAL.
Legally it’s much better to have a ghost gun than a defaced one, even in Cali, and machine tools are historically cheap. Heck, for $2000 and up you can get a benchtop 3-axis CNC router that could make a usable aluminum receiver starting from a block. So defaced are the “cheap and stupid” option for criminals, smarter ones will increasingly go with unmarked.
Good to have the not a lawyer disclaimer there because much of that could be misconstrued and fuck some people up majorly; no lawyer would ever suggest calling gov’s hand on any of it.
Correct all defaced number guns are illegal even if produced during the era when numbers were not required of makers. If they were numbered and it is removed, it’s a felony. But of course the thugs that traffic in the things are doing so specifically to commit other felonies so one more is of no concern to them.
And correct that fed law currently does not disallow homemade guns without numbers and that it is increasingly easy and inexpensive to do that. But those that do so are highly unlikely to be the citizens using them to commit crimes; more along the lines of hobbyists willing and able to make the still significant investment for personal fulfillment and also to stick it to the man who seeks to control them more and more.
Still, many will end up selling (or more correctly transferring) said handiwork and that does trigger the very punitive laws of being an unlicensed manufacturer (not the same as unlicensed dealer which is very nebulous to prove and does allow some sales and commerce in privately owned guns). Very important distinction, and one that can lock your ass up and cost you big if you can be tracked to guns that you built and ended up owned by someone else. Build a gun for fun? For now at least, go for it. But don’t slip into the for fun and profit trap, that gives the same agencies that turn a blind eye to altered street guns in the hands of actual you know, criminals, the method they seek to go after legal owners and defenders of 2A rights…it’s those guys they are after, lbecause ike someone else here said, it ain’t about the guns, it’s about the control.
A .22, .25, or .380, something little Samuel can handle at his age, and grow into.
*smiles* So Dad gives him his first gun to cut his teeth on.
Who gets to clean the slobber off?
“It’s beginning to look a lot like Christmas…a pair of hop-a-long boots and a pistol that shoots is the hope of Barney and Ben…and Samuel.”
Yeah that’ll never make it past the PC police. Not to mention the whole dolls for Janice and Jen thing.
It’ll be fun watching the twins teach young Samuel how to load ammo and how to pester Zed & Sam… all under the watchful eye of Wade (RIP)…
But, but, but, … but if our wonderful new Gun Control Law saves just one life … no. That ship has sailed, the rat, ah, cat has been dumped completely out of the bag.
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/09/dems_veto_red_flag_law_for_gangbangers.html
A court decision in 1970 ruled that convicted criminals could not be required to turn in firearms, as that would violate their Fifth Amendment rights against self-incrimination.
This would seem to be cut from the same cloth.
It once more shows that criminals have never been the “targets” of gun control. It has always been about disarming law-abiding citizens to leave them at the mercy of government officials who may then do as they please with no risk.
Criminals are a necessary part of that equation. The Prime Order of the Empire is “Terror Must Be Maintained”.
When was the last time a drug gang attacked a member of the ruling elite’?
Quite aside from not wanting to confront their armed bodyguards, the drug dealers aren’t about to harm their best customers.
clear ether
eon
Gang banger sorts are not the ones who would rise up to an oppressive government.
And a few dead peasants here and there do not bother the Big Gov types at all.
Hell of an indictment of elites running a giant organized protection racket that’ll never see the inside of a court ain’t it?
FYI though, the felon in possession thing applies very similarly to regular and heretofore law-abiding gun-owners as to things like bump-fire stocks (legally classified as firearms under new regs). They might want you to turn them in but nobody does and it doesn’t really matter because the plan is to make possession a felony if/when some other issue or reason (red-flag anybody?) gives LE access to your home and possessions or you go to sell one through a dealer.
Then that becomes a separate felony conviction that will fuck you up for any other trivial pursuit you might want to engage in, like you know, vote, or maintain the means of protection for your family, because all your guns got to go at that point.
An aside is that several times over the years in the pawn business when someone sold or pawned a firearm to me (sometimes thinking it was the thing to do to get it out of their possession) and they had a felony record? That paperwork that I filed was then used as proof of felon in possession and bought them a ticket straight to jail.
So yeah, active confiscation or forced buyback ain’t their plan but the back-door access is a bitch both for those that deserve to be fucked up, and many that don’t…and it is the latter group that are the real target, so to speak.
Vodkapundit had this to say about toy guns yesterday:
https://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/bob-menendez-youre-damn-right-im-going-to-take-your-toy-ar-15-away/
How did I ever survive my Mattel “Shootin-Shell” Fanner -50 revolver and Belt-buckle derringer? Not to mention the “Dick Tracy snub-nose ,38!)
http://www.nicholscapguns.com/mattel.htm
Zar Belk!
And then there was the Johnny Seven One Man Army. How did any survive that? BTW, searching to be sure I had the name right, which I didn’t, I saw one on ebay for $695.00.
“When I feel my finger on your trigger” … and at some point past puberty I realized Happiness Is A Warm Gun was not about firearms.
Took you that long, did it?
The laws they pass have nothing to do with guns,It’s all about CONTROL!!
Exactly.
The Deep State won?
BUZZKILL? The NYT’s latest on the IG report (IF TRUE) is not what Trump supporters were hoping for
Allegedly the top fish are in the clear, a few guppies are going belly up.
More proof (if True) there is one set of law:
None for Me,
All for Thee.
Which set depends upon much money you have, political position/pull you have, or ‘Name’ you have. There are a number more.