Not going to see this one. Tired of the Hollywierd crap, and tired of giving up my hard earned cash to support those who despise us “deplorables” .
July 23, 2019 at 12:11 am
Fox2!
The trailer released at Comicon seems to suggest that the movie was altered with a view to Commie-Con sensitivities. The SEA cruise patch on Maverick’s flight jacket doesn’t have the Taiwanese and Japanese flags that the original has. Both of which are not on the Chi-com Christmas card list.
July 23, 2019 at 12:40 am
WayneM
I stopped giving money to Hollyweird a few years ago. I don’t have much of a wallet-vote as I wasn’t a regular movie-goer previously but the three or four times per year is now zilch and will remain such.
I won’t even go to see Tom Hanks playing Mr Rogers…
July 23, 2019 at 7:06 am
eon
I stopped “going to the movies” about two decades ago, and “cut the cable” on TV not long after that. Anything I want to watch I can generally find on DVD, or even free online.
I don’t even pay full price for DVDs anymore. It’s amazing what you can get for a buck or so at resale outlets. Like practically everything Hitchcock or Karloff ever did.
As for “new” movies, it’s equally amazing how fast they hit DVD after dying at the box office.
clear ether
eon
July 23, 2019 at 7:58 pm
Nancy
You can also get em at many libraries, at no cost at all.
July 23, 2019 at 12:08 am
Fox2!
Is this going to turn into Arhhhnnoolldd vs. Jo?
July 23, 2019 at 12:21 am
Punta Gorda
McShitstain?
If I remember correctly, both he and L. Grahmnesty wanted the border thrown wide open.
July 23, 2019 at 7:49 am
Tagg
Yes and SC is stuck with him because the “republican” party un SC refuses to hold closed primaries and allows anyone (registered democrats) to vote in them. Tada! Flimsy GhrAmesty wins again!
July 23, 2019 at 12:30 am
Too Tall
Not sure about the plot or message, but I do know some of the Top Gun “patch wearers” who did the actual flying for the movie. No CGI in the movie, the flight scenes are spectacular.
The flight across the desert in the trailer? Actually performed at 20 feet above ground level (AGL).
High speed flight below 50 feet AGL requires nerves of steel, and enormous huveos made of Unobtainium. Probably a lot more paperwork and waivers than might have been required back in the day as well.
July 23, 2019 at 5:30 am
Wotan
Too Tall > Your metallurgical skills are unmatched! I apologize in advance ….. for stealing “High speed flight below 50 feet AGL requires nerves of steel, and enormous huveos made of Unobtainium. ”
The administration of President Donald Trump announced Monday that it will vastly expand the authority of immigration officers to deport migrants without allowing them to first appear before judges, its second major policy shift on immigration in eight days.
Starting Tuesday, fast-track deportations can apply to anyone in the country illegally for less than two years. Previously, those deportations were largely limited to people arrested almost immediately after crossing the Mexican border.
…
The powers were created under a 1996 law but went largely unnoticed until 2004, when Homeland Security said it would be enforced for people who are arrested within two weeks of entering the U.S. by land and caught within 100 miles (160 kilometers) of the border.
July 23, 2019 at 11:07 pm
NotYetInACamp
Too bad. So sad. Apply the law. If they can’t take the results, don’t do the act.
And take their little kids too. They are subject t another jurisdiction, no matter what progressive type say.
July 23, 2019 at 2:22 am
cz93x62
I saw today that CBP located a fishing boat 5 miles out from San Diego that contained dos coyotes y quince Nuevo Americanos on board. Boat was seized, 2 got held, 15 are pending deportation. Sucks to be them. Nice boat, too.
July 23, 2019 at 7:24 am
gafling
So now all are on American soil with a gaggle of leftist lawyers at their disposal. The coyotes may do some jail time but I will bet my next paycheck the rest will be voting D in Nov 2020.
CBP should have disabled the engine and then stitched a line of .50 cal holes just below the waterline on the coyote boat. If any of those aboard can swim the 5 miles to shore, put them on the Olympic team.
July 23, 2019 at 11:10 pm
NotYetInACamp
Amusing thoughts. But we hopefully will never be there.
There are many ways to skin a cat. (Apologies kitty.)
It is a war, that is true.
July 23, 2019 at 6:09 am
Bill G
I’ll follow my usual pattern; wait until it comes on cable, and then miss it.
July 23, 2019 at 6:34 am
Punta Gorda
Well, the star of the original was not the leaping scientologist twit. It was the Gruman F-14. A true beauty.
Dunno how the F/A-18 “K” car is gonna do.
July 23, 2019 at 7:16 am
Too Tall
I am a diehard fan of “Grumman Ironworks” aircraft. One of my best cruises was on USS Kennedy with Airwing 3 and the “all Grumman airing,” F-14s, A-6s, EA6s, and E-2s. No A-7s. Well, we did have S-3s and our trusty H-3 SAR helos.
Having said that, the Super Hornet (F-18E (single-seat) and F-18F (dual-seat)), aka “Rhino” are not really an upgrade of the original F-18C (single-seat) and F-18D (dual-seat) Hornet.
Under the guise of an “upgrade,” the Navy managed to build an almost entirely new airplane. The radar, avionics, weapons, and low observable capabilities of the Rhino, as much as it pains me to write this, make it far superior to the Tomcat and Intruder for Air-to-Air and Air-to-Mud missions.
I used to plan and fly multiple sorties per Designated Mean Point of Impact (DMPI), the approved, clinical, clean, way of writing “target.”
The Rhino takes out multiple DMPIs per sortie.
My only consolation is that no one has built an airplane that looks as bad-ass as the F-4 Phantom.
July 23, 2019 at 8:16 am
Unca Walt
Old fart that I am, I have two planes I would like to have with me in heaven: The F-4 Corsair and the F-4 Phantom.
Both are wicked beautiful.
July 23, 2019 at 9:51 am
John D. Egbert
Right there with ya, UW. Although my choices would be two from the Ironworks: F6F-3 Hellcat and F11F-1 Tiger; with what should have been the F13F-4 Tomcat close behind.
And, if there is any justice in the hereafter, Robert Strange McNamara and his merry band of idiots (called the Whiz Kids because they all were *so* smart) couldn’t understand the two wonderfully informative military designation systems in use at the time and created the abortion we’re stuck with today.
July 23, 2019 at 8:20 pm
Toxic Deplorable B Woodman
As an Army commo repair (old style MOS 31E) in support of Eleven Bang-Bangs (11B Infantry), I would prefer the CAS (Close Air Support) of the A10 Warthog. As ugly as it’s namesake, it’s heaven in the sky to us ground pounders. Like the Timex watch, “Takes a lickin’ and keeps on tickin'”. There is a God in Heaven that has kept the A10 in the skies in spite of all that the Chair Force brass have done to try to get rid of it.
July 23, 2019 at 7:21 am
eon
The Tom was probably the most advanced fighter in the world forty years ago. But it was also a maintenance nightmare due to the VG wing system. The F-111 and Tornado had similar “issues”, which is why their successors don’t have VG wing systems.
The Tom was built for the kind of war described in Tom Clancy and Larry Bond’s Red Storm Rising, in which the objective was killing Russian Tupolev bombers before they could launch long-range antiship missiles at convoys or CVBGs in the North Atlantic. A sort of high-tech rewind of the Battle of the Atlantic in WW2.
As it turned out, we never fought that kind of war. Most obviously, our pilots had to fight WVR for IFF purposes. (One time our surface assets didn’t, and the result was the Vincennes incident.) It’s ironic that the Tom, equipped with the longest-ranged AAM in history, the AIM-54A Phoenix, got all its kills with the short range AIM-9 Sidewinder; no Phoenix was ever fired in anger.
Replacing the Tom, the Intruder, and etc. with the Super Hornet pretty much brings us back to where the Navy wanted to be in 1960. With one or at most two aircraft types handling pretty much all the missions.
As for the Super Hornet, the original Northrop/MD Plastic Bug was basically a hyped-up F-5E with a higher education. The MD/Boeing Super Bug is closer to a 21st Century version of the F-4 Phantom.
And being the “Grandson of Rhino” isn’t a bad thing for a multirole fighter to be, really.
clear ether
eon
July 23, 2019 at 7:42 am
Paul
copy that TOO TALL
“My only consolation is that no one has built an airplane that looks as bad-ass as the F-4 Phantom.”
as a Mac brat, Dad worked for McD (not burgers) 40 years 47-87 . Went to High school where those beast would come flying over off production 4 at a time some times a lagging 5th, maybe 500ft rattling the windows in our old 1930 High School building ! Treachers had to shut up for maybe 10 mins as they came blasting over ! Luv it !
July 23, 2019 at 11:16 pm
John M.
Paul, your experience sounds like mine… dad was assigned as the Commanding Officer of the Naval Overhul and repair Facility at NAS North Island in 1962.
The family was assigned quarters aboard, that happened to be the closest set to runway 29. F8U’s and F3H ‘s were still in the system along with S2F’s, and WF’s.
VF(AW)-3 was still Flying F4D Skyrays out of NASNI for NORAD at the time, and they flew at all hours. Fortunately, their scrambles were off of Runway 18, so the afterburner departures weren’t that disturbing where we lived.
There were also AD-5E’s with the BIG three-man side-by-side cockpit and a radar in the belly being flown by Chief Petty Officer Pilots, then the last of a dying breed.
My brother and I sat on our front lawn for hours watching the activity. Needless to say, my schoolwork suffered that year.
BTW, the rest of you can call ’em what you want, but in my mind, I stick with the old Navy designations for the old Navy aircraft.
July 27, 2019 at 4:56 pm
Doggo
No plane was EVER more efficient at converting jet fuel to noise than the Phantom, though there was some leakage that came out as thrust.
I love all of the history, jargon, and details in discussions here about things that get me stirred up and some of which I know a little about like cars, guns, etc. And I enjoy the details, specs and history shared here by students of those plus things I know even less about like tech, ancient empires, etc.
But nothing can really compare to real-world, real-deal, seat-of-the-pants tales of them that’s been there and done that…did Too Tall just say he is a former carrier-based effing F-14 fighter pilot?
Damn man.
July 23, 2019 at 4:59 pm
Too Tall
For the record, I was a Bombardier/Navigator (B/N) in the A-6E Intruder (CAINS, TRAM, and SWIP). My first cruise on USS Independence with Airwing 6 had F-4s and detachments of F-8 Crusaders and EA-3D Skyraiders (aka the Whale). So much history and so much “color” on the recoveries.
“I used to plan and fly multiple sorties per…target.”
Actually more accurate for you as for the guy on the stick…
and just as impressive. Me jumping to conclusions.
July 23, 2019 at 1:01 pm
MAJ Arkay
Don’t like that actor, and haven’t since I read back then that he panicked in the water after the crash scene and mistreated the divers who were there to keep his sorry keester safe. Haven’t bothered with any of his movies since. Might, just might, sit through it when I can check it out from our library, just to watch the Navy fliers doing their magnificent thing, and fast forward through the little toad’s scenes.
Even so, will have to suspend belief that a doddery old captain with over 30 years service and never made admiral would still be on flight status (or even active duty).
July 23, 2019 at 1:40 pm
JAK
Ya but the F4 Phantom is like a dual trailer Peter Bilt (cruising @800). Not nimble
July 23, 2019 at 3:33 pm
John
I think the inside joke about the F4 is that it’s proof that with enough thrust you can make a brick fly.
It is good to recall that virtually all of the entertainment business, like virtually all of the other arms of leftism, operates on a script with little regard for truth or reality.
“I’m taking action to defend California’s constitutional ban on high capacity gun magazines. These rapid fire bullet delivery systems endanger the safety of all Americans & have no place in our homes.”
Hmm, rapid fire bullet delivery systems. Makes me wonder what I can engineer with an air compressor and airgun pellets that they’ll want to immediately ban.
July 23, 2019 at 6:14 pm
eon
To them, a bolt-action should be banned as a “sniper rifle”. And even a blackpowder musket is a “rapid fire” weapon because it doesn’t take half a day to reload like a late medieval bombard.
“When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.”
“The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.”
“The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master—that’s all.”
– Through the Looking Glass, and What Alice Found There Lewis Carroll, 1871
clear ether
eon
July 23, 2019 at 7:26 pm
Pamela
But Pilot is blue with lots of arms and flys Moya all over another Universe.
July 23, 2019 at 10:09 pm
Avery B.
This long-ago Navy “Green Striper” would take to heaven an RA5-C Vigilante and the XB-70 Valkyrie.
No. None of the above apply. A detailed and disgusting volume could be written on each about why that is. He’s dead, we should let it go, but it is hard.
July 23, 2019 at 11:23 pm
NotYetInACamp
One of my cousins played a pilot in the parody.
Actually a better movie! 🙂 And with better conspiracy theories.
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Both suffer from stunted growth, body and soul.
Not going to see this one. Tired of the Hollywierd crap, and tired of giving up my hard earned cash to support those who despise us “deplorables” .
The trailer released at Comicon seems to suggest that the movie was altered with a view to Commie-Con sensitivities. The SEA cruise patch on Maverick’s flight jacket doesn’t have the Taiwanese and Japanese flags that the original has. Both of which are not on the Chi-com Christmas card list.
I stopped giving money to Hollyweird a few years ago. I don’t have much of a wallet-vote as I wasn’t a regular movie-goer previously but the three or four times per year is now zilch and will remain such.
I won’t even go to see Tom Hanks playing Mr Rogers…
I stopped “going to the movies” about two decades ago, and “cut the cable” on TV not long after that. Anything I want to watch I can generally find on DVD, or even free online.
I don’t even pay full price for DVDs anymore. It’s amazing what you can get for a buck or so at resale outlets. Like practically everything Hitchcock or Karloff ever did.
As for “new” movies, it’s equally amazing how fast they hit DVD after dying at the box office.
clear ether
eon
You can also get em at many libraries, at no cost at all.
Is this going to turn into Arhhhnnoolldd vs. Jo?
McShitstain?
If I remember correctly, both he and L. Grahmnesty wanted the border thrown wide open.
Yes and SC is stuck with him because the “republican” party un SC refuses to hold closed primaries and allows anyone (registered democrats) to vote in them. Tada! Flimsy GhrAmesty wins again!
Not sure about the plot or message, but I do know some of the Top Gun “patch wearers” who did the actual flying for the movie. No CGI in the movie, the flight scenes are spectacular.
The flight across the desert in the trailer? Actually performed at 20 feet above ground level (AGL).
High speed flight below 50 feet AGL requires nerves of steel, and enormous huveos made of Unobtainium. Probably a lot more paperwork and waivers than might have been required back in the day as well.
Too Tall > Your metallurgical skills are unmatched! I apologize in advance ….. for stealing “High speed flight below 50 feet AGL requires nerves of steel, and enormous huveos made of Unobtainium. ”
Slainte!
There was a time when I had a Maverick/MILF ’08 sticker on my truck.
Fresh lawsuits immediately went flying to stop this “illegal” actually-legal policy shift. But let’s wait to hear The Squad’s esteemed opinion.
Trump Expands Fast-Track Deportation Authority Across US
The administration of President Donald Trump announced Monday that it will vastly expand the authority of immigration officers to deport migrants without allowing them to first appear before judges, its second major policy shift on immigration in eight days.
Starting Tuesday, fast-track deportations can apply to anyone in the country illegally for less than two years. Previously, those deportations were largely limited to people arrested almost immediately after crossing the Mexican border.
…
The powers were created under a 1996 law but went largely unnoticed until 2004, when Homeland Security said it would be enforced for people who are arrested within two weeks of entering the U.S. by land and caught within 100 miles (160 kilometers) of the border.
Too bad. So sad. Apply the law. If they can’t take the results, don’t do the act.
And take their little kids too. They are subject t another jurisdiction, no matter what progressive type say.
I saw today that CBP located a fishing boat 5 miles out from San Diego that contained dos coyotes y quince Nuevo Americanos on board. Boat was seized, 2 got held, 15 are pending deportation. Sucks to be them. Nice boat, too.
So now all are on American soil with a gaggle of leftist lawyers at their disposal. The coyotes may do some jail time but I will bet my next paycheck the rest will be voting D in Nov 2020.
CBP should have disabled the engine and then stitched a line of .50 cal holes just below the waterline on the coyote boat. If any of those aboard can swim the 5 miles to shore, put them on the Olympic team.
Amusing thoughts. But we hopefully will never be there.
There are many ways to skin a cat. (Apologies kitty.)
It is a war, that is true.
I’ll follow my usual pattern; wait until it comes on cable, and then miss it.
Well, the star of the original was not the leaping scientologist twit. It was the Gruman F-14. A true beauty.
Dunno how the F/A-18 “K” car is gonna do.
I am a diehard fan of “Grumman Ironworks” aircraft. One of my best cruises was on USS Kennedy with Airwing 3 and the “all Grumman airing,” F-14s, A-6s, EA6s, and E-2s. No A-7s. Well, we did have S-3s and our trusty H-3 SAR helos.
Having said that, the Super Hornet (F-18E (single-seat) and F-18F (dual-seat)), aka “Rhino” are not really an upgrade of the original F-18C (single-seat) and F-18D (dual-seat) Hornet.
Under the guise of an “upgrade,” the Navy managed to build an almost entirely new airplane. The radar, avionics, weapons, and low observable capabilities of the Rhino, as much as it pains me to write this, make it far superior to the Tomcat and Intruder for Air-to-Air and Air-to-Mud missions.
I used to plan and fly multiple sorties per Designated Mean Point of Impact (DMPI), the approved, clinical, clean, way of writing “target.”
The Rhino takes out multiple DMPIs per sortie.
My only consolation is that no one has built an airplane that looks as bad-ass as the F-4 Phantom.
Old fart that I am, I have two planes I would like to have with me in heaven: The F-4 Corsair and the F-4 Phantom.
Both are wicked beautiful.
Right there with ya, UW. Although my choices would be two from the Ironworks: F6F-3 Hellcat and F11F-1 Tiger; with what should have been the F13F-4 Tomcat close behind.
And, if there is any justice in the hereafter, Robert Strange McNamara and his merry band of idiots (called the Whiz Kids because they all were *so* smart) couldn’t understand the two wonderfully informative military designation systems in use at the time and created the abortion we’re stuck with today.
As an Army commo repair (old style MOS 31E) in support of Eleven Bang-Bangs (11B Infantry), I would prefer the CAS (Close Air Support) of the A10 Warthog. As ugly as it’s namesake, it’s heaven in the sky to us ground pounders. Like the Timex watch, “Takes a lickin’ and keeps on tickin'”. There is a God in Heaven that has kept the A10 in the skies in spite of all that the Chair Force brass have done to try to get rid of it.
The Tom was probably the most advanced fighter in the world forty years ago. But it was also a maintenance nightmare due to the VG wing system. The F-111 and Tornado had similar “issues”, which is why their successors don’t have VG wing systems.
The Tom was built for the kind of war described in Tom Clancy and Larry Bond’s Red Storm Rising, in which the objective was killing Russian Tupolev bombers before they could launch long-range antiship missiles at convoys or CVBGs in the North Atlantic. A sort of high-tech rewind of the Battle of the Atlantic in WW2.
As it turned out, we never fought that kind of war. Most obviously, our pilots had to fight WVR for IFF purposes. (One time our surface assets didn’t, and the result was the Vincennes incident.) It’s ironic that the Tom, equipped with the longest-ranged AAM in history, the AIM-54A Phoenix, got all its kills with the short range AIM-9 Sidewinder; no Phoenix was ever fired in anger.
Replacing the Tom, the Intruder, and etc. with the Super Hornet pretty much brings us back to where the Navy wanted to be in 1960. With one or at most two aircraft types handling pretty much all the missions.
As for the Super Hornet, the original Northrop/MD Plastic Bug was basically a hyped-up F-5E with a higher education. The MD/Boeing Super Bug is closer to a 21st Century version of the F-4 Phantom.
And being the “Grandson of Rhino” isn’t a bad thing for a multirole fighter to be, really.
clear ether
eon
copy that TOO TALL
“My only consolation is that no one has built an airplane that looks as bad-ass as the F-4 Phantom.”
as a Mac brat, Dad worked for McD (not burgers) 40 years 47-87 . Went to High school where those beast would come flying over off production 4 at a time some times a lagging 5th, maybe 500ft rattling the windows in our old 1930 High School building ! Treachers had to shut up for maybe 10 mins as they came blasting over ! Luv it !
Paul, your experience sounds like mine… dad was assigned as the Commanding Officer of the Naval Overhul and repair Facility at NAS North Island in 1962.
The family was assigned quarters aboard, that happened to be the closest set to runway 29. F8U’s and F3H ‘s were still in the system along with S2F’s, and WF’s.
VF(AW)-3 was still Flying F4D Skyrays out of NASNI for NORAD at the time, and they flew at all hours. Fortunately, their scrambles were off of Runway 18, so the afterburner departures weren’t that disturbing where we lived.
There were also AD-5E’s with the BIG three-man side-by-side cockpit and a radar in the belly being flown by Chief Petty Officer Pilots, then the last of a dying breed.
My brother and I sat on our front lawn for hours watching the activity. Needless to say, my schoolwork suffered that year.
BTW, the rest of you can call ’em what you want, but in my mind, I stick with the old Navy designations for the old Navy aircraft.
No plane was EVER more efficient at converting jet fuel to noise than the Phantom, though there was some leakage that came out as thrust.
I love all of the history, jargon, and details in discussions here about things that get me stirred up and some of which I know a little about like cars, guns, etc. And I enjoy the details, specs and history shared here by students of those plus things I know even less about like tech, ancient empires, etc.
But nothing can really compare to real-world, real-deal, seat-of-the-pants tales of them that’s been there and done that…did Too Tall just say he is a former carrier-based effing F-14 fighter pilot?
Damn man.
For the record, I was a Bombardier/Navigator (B/N) in the A-6E Intruder (CAINS, TRAM, and SWIP). My first cruise on USS Independence with Airwing 6 had F-4s and detachments of F-8 Crusaders and EA-3D Skyraiders (aka the Whale). So much history and so much “color” on the recoveries.
“I used to plan and fly multiple sorties per…target.”
Actually more accurate for you as for the guy on the stick…
and just as impressive. Me jumping to conclusions.
Don’t like that actor, and haven’t since I read back then that he panicked in the water after the crash scene and mistreated the divers who were there to keep his sorry keester safe. Haven’t bothered with any of his movies since. Might, just might, sit through it when I can check it out from our library, just to watch the Navy fliers doing their magnificent thing, and fast forward through the little toad’s scenes.
Even so, will have to suspend belief that a doddery old captain with over 30 years service and never made admiral would still be on flight status (or even active duty).
Ya but the F4 Phantom is like a dual trailer Peter Bilt (cruising @800). Not nimble
I think the inside joke about the F4 is that it’s proof that with enough thrust you can make a brick fly.
It is good to recall that virtually all of the entertainment business, like virtually all of the other arms of leftism, operates on a script with little regard for truth or reality.
When NYC and LA unite For Great Justice:
‘What are you talking about?’ NY AG vows to help California protect Americans from ‘rapid fire bullet delivery systems’
“I’m taking action to defend California’s constitutional ban on high capacity gun magazines. These rapid fire bullet delivery systems endanger the safety of all Americans & have no place in our homes.”
Hmm, rapid fire bullet delivery systems. Makes me wonder what I can engineer with an air compressor and airgun pellets that they’ll want to immediately ban.
To them, a bolt-action should be banned as a “sniper rifle”. And even a blackpowder musket is a “rapid fire” weapon because it doesn’t take half a day to reload like a late medieval bombard.
clear ether
eon
But Pilot is blue with lots of arms and flys Moya all over another Universe.
This long-ago Navy “Green Striper” would take to heaven an RA5-C Vigilante and the XB-70 Valkyrie.
“Pilot, honor, loyalty, self-sacrifice…”
“As in John McCain?”
No. None of the above apply. A detailed and disgusting volume could be written on each about why that is. He’s dead, we should let it go, but it is hard.
One of my cousins played a pilot in the parody.
Actually a better movie! 🙂 And with better conspiracy theories.