And yet, how small a minority of the citizens even comprehend it.
Compared to the spirited, reasoned, discussions and debates among the citizens when the nation was new over the arguments of the Federalists (James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, and John Jay) and the Anti-Federalists (Patrick Henry, George Clinton, others), how far we have fallen.
There is a reason more states have an incorporated area named “Madison” than any other place name. And it wasn’t because of the glam of his wife Dolly, or her presence on social media.
Meanwhile, the demoncrat candidate for the 57th district in the oldest legislative body in the nation, the Virginia House of Delegates, formerly known as the House of Burgesses, raises money as a porn star on Chaturbate.
Sorry. Constitutions are dead. How to game a constitution is more widely known than how to hotwire a Kia.
The fallacy of constitutions is that they are written to limit government, then the very people they are intended to limit are always given the power to “interpret” them into uselessness.
How can you feel safe that a government won’t “infringe” on your rights when they get to define “infringe,” and the same people can’t even define “woman?”
The fallacy is the belief there is more than one Constitution, as written.
Edits and interpretations can sure muddy and enable the implementation and weaponization of it, which explains more than anything why a re-boot is necessary.
Not of the Constitution but of the former republic. Reboot! CRA Now!
September 29, 2023 at 8:00 pm
NotYetInACamp
Even Gen Milley said that the Constitution was what the military swore allegiance to. That during his goodbye speech and ceremony,
Am armed force’s band played significant parts of all of each forces anthem.
I do enjoy listening to them.
Did y’all see that neat video of the greenies who chained themselves to a trailer to block the road to Burning Man? Stupid spokeschick actually said, “We can protest; this is a democracy, isn’t it?” My first thought was that when your little group of 9 soy-suckers has p*ed off 300 cars worth of large, angry commuters, appealing to “democracy” is a truly boneheaded move.
She should have been bluntly told “we formed a democracy and took a vote, you lost so prepare to become one with the asphalt”
A true democracy is little more than mob rule with formalities
The problem with people screaming ‘democracy’ is that they aren’t prepared to live with what happens when the mob shifts and doesn’t rule their way.
September 29, 2023 at 8:03 pm
NotYetInACamp
‘Democracy’ was Diane Feinstein screeching the the past that if she had obtained 51% of the Senate’s votes, she would have said: “Amereica, turn in your guns.”
Democide usually follows such disarming of the people.
September 29, 2023 at 5:54 am
eon
The founders saw “real democracy” as either the road to anarchy or the King’s Highway to dictatorship.
Runnymede was “real democracy” in action. Anyone who thinks the Magna Carta King John signed at swords’ points was intended to guarantee the “rights of Englishmen” has never actually read it. It was intended to prevent him from interfering in the nobility’s robbing, raping, and looting, no more, no less. That was what “high, middle, and low ‘justice'” really meant in concrete terms.
On the other side of the coin, history prior to 1789 was replete with examples of anarchy. The Hundred Years’ War, the Thirty Years’ War, and the other “wars of religion” were ones the founders were all too aware of.
As they were in the process of creating their Constitution and Bill of Rights, they could also look across the ocean at France (via the intelligence network created by…Benjamin Franklin) to see the same thing developing all over again. I doubt that the Directory, the Terror, or the Napoleonic Wars surprised any of them.
The founders would look at the world today and want to know if we had learned anything from those examples.
And they would conclude that other than wannabee Jacobins who dream of indulging themselves in Blood, Devastation, Death, War and Horror, the answer would be “no’.
How right you are! Of course, the problem with a republic is that you have to have good representatives. That doesn’t seem to be working that well lately.
We can keep a republic, if we limit the right to vote to those who are producers and present and past military. No one other than military who get a paycheck from the government should have the vote.
Robert Heinlein was truly a prophet. Although I really like his proposal for a Lunar government: Two Legislative houses. One’ job is to pass new laws, but it takes a 75% supermajority to pass. The other’s job is to REPEAL laws, but it only takes a 25% plurality to pass, based on the concept that if 25% of the population will ignore a law, it is not worth having. ( I believe it was also cribbed in a Star Trek novel as the way the Vulcan government worked.)
Zar Belk!
September 29, 2023 at 11:15 pm
John_M - the Oldrailfan
Wait a minute!
I did my time, wearing funny green clothes and ‘running thru the jungle.’
Then I did more time building and repairing ships for the seafaring brothers.
Then more time still keeping miscreants from turning this place into a ‘,jungle.’
But now, because I got busted up by one of those jerks and have to live of the proceeds of the ‘savings account’ the government ‘created for me, I need to be disenfranchised?!
I think a better criterion for voters should land owners! It doesn’t if it’s a tenth-acre residential plot, fifteen such plots, or two hundred-thousand acres, you and your spouse get one vote each, in the state that is your primary residence.
Privately held land only, no corporate entities or holders of tax-exempt land need apply
September 29, 2023 at 2:11 pm
GR8RDave
No taxation without representation was good, but not complete. These days we need a dose of no representation without taxation. In other words, unless you contribute, you don’t determine how things are run.
I’m willing to give Box 2 one more shake to be sure we’ve gotten all we can out of it. We can get the question of Texas independence and a reboot of the Republic of Texas on the March 2024 primary ballot with enough signatures on this petition:
The “loophole” that allowed FDR and his ilk to start abridging our freedoms was the Commerce Clause. It was used to force Federal dictates on private property instead of arbitrating in disputes between states as it was originally intended. The only reason that he was able to do that was by stacking the court with liberal judges. The change to the constitution for direct election of Senators in 1913, helped this along. Originally, the Senate represented the states, not the people (it’s why their term was 6 years). The states would never have agreed to their loss of power under the new reading of the commerce clause.
Populism started the downward slide of the United States.
Fdr pressured the Supremes to deliberately misinterpret the word “regulate”, like you’d regulate a clock. In its original context it meant normalize; make sure no special trade deals existed between certain states, same prices charged etc. screwing with the meaning opened the door to unlimited government regulation, corruption, influence peddling etc.
Anti-gun creeps are always misusing the words “well regulated” from the 2nd amendment in the modern vernacular, I.e., regulated as in controlled rather than the original meaning from the time of the founders, well-trained, or disciplined.
September 30, 2023 at 4:54 am
Henry
Nope, you picked the wrong example. “Regulate a clock” or “regulate a shotgun” is in fact the proper meaning of the term, as opposed to “write regulations for an industry.”
September 29, 2023 at 8:12 pm
NotYetInACamp
That interpretation of the Commerce Clause was a doozy. I recall that it allowed the Federal Government to prevent a person from growing a crop on their land that they had traditionaly grown, that never left the land as it was used on the private land.
Growing federal government forbidden tomatoes in room with a window. Blasphemy.
Sergeant. Put a missile into that room immediately.
DemonRat, progs and other names speaking of the same people do not give a rolling donuts care for laws or anything else that would restrict what they do. So now they are bringing in hundred of thousands into the millions of younger military age men of many different nationalities. Rideing a rail car is coming.
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Profound, powerful, simple.
And yet, how small a minority of the citizens even comprehend it.
Compared to the spirited, reasoned, discussions and debates among the citizens when the nation was new over the arguments of the Federalists (James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, and John Jay) and the Anti-Federalists (Patrick Henry, George Clinton, others), how far we have fallen.
There is a reason more states have an incorporated area named “Madison” than any other place name. And it wasn’t because of the glam of his wife Dolly, or her presence on social media.
Meanwhile, the demoncrat candidate for the 57th district in the oldest legislative body in the nation, the Virginia House of Delegates, formerly known as the House of Burgesses, raises money as a porn star on Chaturbate.
The “democracy” people make “Lord of the Flies” look tame!
Franklin promised us a Republic, if we could keep it.
We couldn’t. So gotta reboot.
Sticking to the Constitution this time.
The Constitutional Republic of America, the CRA.
Sorry. Constitutions are dead. How to game a constitution is more widely known than how to hotwire a Kia.
The fallacy of constitutions is that they are written to limit government, then the very people they are intended to limit are always given the power to “interpret” them into uselessness.
How can you feel safe that a government won’t “infringe” on your rights when they get to define “infringe,” and the same people can’t even define “woman?”
The fallacy is the belief there is more than one Constitution, as written.
Edits and interpretations can sure muddy and enable the implementation and weaponization of it, which explains more than anything why a re-boot is necessary.
Not of the Constitution but of the former republic. Reboot! CRA Now!
Even Gen Milley said that the Constitution was what the military swore allegiance to. That during his goodbye speech and ceremony,
Am armed force’s band played significant parts of all of each forces anthem.
I do enjoy listening to them.
To be fair, probably 80% of the population don’t know what either a republic OR a democracy is.
Thank the long march through the institutions for that.
I wonder how many of the fringe leftists really understand what their situations would be if we lived in a true democracy?
Did y’all see that neat video of the greenies who chained themselves to a trailer to block the road to Burning Man? Stupid spokeschick actually said, “We can protest; this is a democracy, isn’t it?” My first thought was that when your little group of 9 soy-suckers has p*ed off 300 cars worth of large, angry commuters, appealing to “democracy” is a truly boneheaded move.
She should have been bluntly told “we formed a democracy and took a vote, you lost so prepare to become one with the asphalt”
A true democracy is little more than mob rule with formalities
The problem with people screaming ‘democracy’ is that they aren’t prepared to live with what happens when the mob shifts and doesn’t rule their way.
‘Democracy’ was Diane Feinstein screeching the the past that if she had obtained 51% of the Senate’s votes, she would have said: “Amereica, turn in your guns.”
Democide usually follows such disarming of the people.
The founders saw “real democracy” as either the road to anarchy or the King’s Highway to dictatorship.
Runnymede was “real democracy” in action. Anyone who thinks the Magna Carta King John signed at swords’ points was intended to guarantee the “rights of Englishmen” has never actually read it. It was intended to prevent him from interfering in the nobility’s robbing, raping, and looting, no more, no less. That was what “high, middle, and low ‘justice'” really meant in concrete terms.
On the other side of the coin, history prior to 1789 was replete with examples of anarchy. The Hundred Years’ War, the Thirty Years’ War, and the other “wars of religion” were ones the founders were all too aware of.
As they were in the process of creating their Constitution and Bill of Rights, they could also look across the ocean at France (via the intelligence network created by…Benjamin Franklin) to see the same thing developing all over again. I doubt that the Directory, the Terror, or the Napoleonic Wars surprised any of them.
The founders would look at the world today and want to know if we had learned anything from those examples.
And they would conclude that other than wannabee Jacobins who dream of indulging themselves in Blood, Devastation, Death, War and Horror, the answer would be “no’.
clear ether
eon
How right you are! Of course, the problem with a republic is that you have to have good representatives. That doesn’t seem to be working that well lately.
Yep. A Republic. “nuff said for starters.
We can keep a republic, if we limit the right to vote to those who are producers and present and past military. No one other than military who get a paycheck from the government should have the vote.
I think you meant:
No one who gets a paycheck from the government (other than military) should have the vote.
Robert Heinlein was truly a prophet. Although I really like his proposal for a Lunar government: Two Legislative houses. One’ job is to pass new laws, but it takes a 75% supermajority to pass. The other’s job is to REPEAL laws, but it only takes a 25% plurality to pass, based on the concept that if 25% of the population will ignore a law, it is not worth having. ( I believe it was also cribbed in a Star Trek novel as the way the Vulcan government worked.)
Zar Belk!
Wait a minute!
I did my time, wearing funny green clothes and ‘running thru the jungle.’
Then I did more time building and repairing ships for the seafaring brothers.
Then more time still keeping miscreants from turning this place into a ‘,jungle.’
But now, because I got busted up by one of those jerks and have to live of the proceeds of the ‘savings account’ the government ‘created for me, I need to be disenfranchised?!
I think a better criterion for voters should land owners! It doesn’t if it’s a tenth-acre residential plot, fifteen such plots, or two hundred-thousand acres, you and your spouse get one vote each, in the state that is your primary residence.
Privately held land only, no corporate entities or holders of tax-exempt land need apply
No taxation without representation was good, but not complete. These days we need a dose of no representation without taxation. In other words, unless you contribute, you don’t determine how things are run.
I’m willing to give Box 2 one more shake to be sure we’ve gotten all we can out of it. We can get the question of Texas independence and a reboot of the Republic of Texas on the March 2024 primary ballot with enough signatures on this petition:
https://tnm.me/petition?id=18630
The “loophole” that allowed FDR and his ilk to start abridging our freedoms was the Commerce Clause. It was used to force Federal dictates on private property instead of arbitrating in disputes between states as it was originally intended. The only reason that he was able to do that was by stacking the court with liberal judges. The change to the constitution for direct election of Senators in 1913, helped this along. Originally, the Senate represented the states, not the people (it’s why their term was 6 years). The states would never have agreed to their loss of power under the new reading of the commerce clause.
Populism started the downward slide of the United States.
Fdr pressured the Supremes to deliberately misinterpret the word “regulate”, like you’d regulate a clock. In its original context it meant normalize; make sure no special trade deals existed between certain states, same prices charged etc. screwing with the meaning opened the door to unlimited government regulation, corruption, influence peddling etc.
Anti-gun creeps are always misusing the words “well regulated” from the 2nd amendment in the modern vernacular, I.e., regulated as in controlled rather than the original meaning from the time of the founders, well-trained, or disciplined.
Nope, you picked the wrong example. “Regulate a clock” or “regulate a shotgun” is in fact the proper meaning of the term, as opposed to “write regulations for an industry.”
That interpretation of the Commerce Clause was a doozy. I recall that it allowed the Federal Government to prevent a person from growing a crop on their land that they had traditionaly grown, that never left the land as it was used on the private land.
Growing federal government forbidden tomatoes in room with a window. Blasphemy.
Sergeant. Put a missile into that room immediately.
That’s when a refusal is in order, I posit.
DemonRat, progs and other names speaking of the same people do not give a rolling donuts care for laws or anything else that would restrict what they do. So now they are bringing in hundred of thousands into the millions of younger military age men of many different nationalities. Rideing a rail car is coming.
Democracy is just mob rule