Just because you are paranoid, doesn’t mean that there isn’t somebody out to get you. Fences tend not to work for people and cows trying to get out, but they generally work just fine for people and cows trying to get in.
September 1, 2015 at 9:17 pm
cb
I recall walking guard duty along a fence in Korea… seems to have been working fine since 1953.
September 2, 2015 at 6:47 am
GWB
That fence had landmines and stuff. Are you advocating that? I don’t mind if you are – just wondering. 🙂
(My preference is for alligators. Maybe some chupacabras.)
September 2, 2015 at 6:56 am
Pamela
Nah, you need those sneaky little neurotic poodles with bows in their hair and painted nails called Snookums and Pookie inside the fence.
September 2, 2015 at 7:04 am
eon
And peke-a-poos. Even more twitchy, and with noses that rival a bloodhound’s.
Also, the human rights types will look pretty silly claiming violations of same when the “dangerous guard dogs” turn out to be Sneeples and Leelee piddling on a coyotero’s ankles.
Good fences make good neighbors. As far as national border fences, if you are not going to use tall concrete barriers, like the israelis, maybe multiple, randomly placed land mines would be a good idea. A national border should mean something! There should be free flow out, but controlled blockage coming in.
September 1, 2015 at 9:43 pm
robert
If a fence doesn’t work then build a wall – the media’s socialist heroes all loved walls
September 2, 2015 at 7:05 am
eon
Just to keep people they don’t like in. Not to keep “soldiers of liberation” out.
Actually, I back mine up with a .357 magnum and a 7.62 M14. For a fence to work, it MUST be backed up. Our border fence would probably work well, if we backed it up with something besides KY ointment.
How can the wingtips not see the efficacy of fences? As Country Boy says, theirs has worked great keeping people out, but in? Not so much. Since ’08 I’ve said Sarahcuda can’t be prez but she’d be a helluva RNC chair; the Old Party might be Grand again, and I’d still have an R on my card instead of an I, and I know I’m not alone.
“How can the wingtips not see the efficacy of fences? As Country Boy says, theirs has worked great keeping people out, but in? Not so much. ”
They understand the efficiency of fences. You’re mistakenly assuming that they want to keep illegals out.
The Dems want a voting bloc that will keep them in power forever. So they can really put the screws on everybody they hate, which is pretty much everybody.
The GOPe want cheap labor for their corporate friends, and cheap domestic help for their mansions. They don’t mind being junior partners in a de facto one-party state, as long as they get paid regularly. And they dislike the Great Unwashed in Flyover Country just as much as the Dems do.
They have more in common with their “opposite numbers” than they do with their base- on both sides. After all, they see each other as “insiders” with a “correct” view of the world. That’s what you get when both sides are the product of the same cultural milieu’. ( Northeast, upper crust, Ivy League, etc.)
Slytherin does not like Muggles, never mind their abilities. In fact, ability is something that the ruling clique’ is utterly terrified of, as Ayn Rand correctly predicted.
Good observations, but missing my actual snarky reinforcement of Chris’ Trump “quote”, that the GOPers have effectively built ideological barriers that exclude their erstwhile base from the “party”, while agreeing with Country Boy that it’s a one-way barrier that allows and even encourages any actual conservatives to leave.
Yes, it’s more and more a one-party system we have now. And as you say, that’s how they want it, and not just for their own security, but because deep down theys all, dims and pubs alike believe in the One Party Principle…which is to say, aristocracy.
But they are forgetting that in the process they are creating another party, the No Name Party, those who place an I on their registrations, and who are so angry that they (we) are actively preparing for the New Revolutionary War.
September 2, 2015 at 6:18 pm
John Greer
If you want an example of this look no further than the People’s Democratic Republic of California, a state so dysfunctional they propose letting the Republicans vote in the Democratic Primary.
September 1, 2015 at 11:05 pm
interventor
Israel built a 500 mile fence. Terrorist attacks dropped 90 percent.
September 2, 2015 at 12:16 am
Greg B
Unrelated, but why do the girls in the sidebars have barcodes tattooed on them?
Just an artistic effect? Or a future storyline?
September 2, 2015 at 6:30 am
Peet
Flashback to “Dark Angel”?
September 2, 2015 at 6:43 am
Wes
The barcodes have been around for awhile. Looking at a DBD bookmark right now on the nightstand, from the “Resist We Much” time.
September 2, 2015 at 12:26 am
Calvin
A few thoughts;
Australia built a 1200 mile long fence in the outback back in 1901. They built is with ox carts and manual labor.
I sent my complaints off to the RNC last week where I told them that they will let Fiorina into the debate or they will never see another cent of mine. I also told them that this may be the last election that I will register as a republican unless they get out of our way. Let the people choose the candidate. One part of that worked out. Maybe next we can get rid of Boehner, McConnell, and Preibus.
September 2, 2015 at 12:29 am
H_B
I was blase’ about Trump until last weekend. When he made his comment about the American people being tired of getting treated like “patsies” by the political elite, that was a real “hunh…this guy actually gets it” moment for me.
September 2, 2015 at 3:30 am
NotYetInACamp
Actually I believe that actually enforcing expulsion and deportation and that invaders birthing here do not gain permanent residence then or later,nor citizenship ever, are some of the effects that obviate the need for a fence. That and the removal of any benefits whatsoever for illegally present foreign nationals (INVADERS) would reduce the benefit of the invasion.
The current invasion in the War in Europe shows that, just like here, having rewards for invading results in millions of invaders crossing the border.
If the invader was immediately returned to his native landm, there would be no problems, or fewer problems.
The crux is souring the milk so they will not come here to suck on the government teat. or just remove the teat from them.
The fence is the least effective tool in this battle. The enemy in Washington has removed the normal tools of a nation and waged war in all of the states by its non enforcement of laws, and by its creation of new privileges for the invaders who are allies of the enemy in Washington.
But in the War in Europe, Hungary has built a wall on a previously open border. Now The Czech republic has started sending troops to its border. Austria has started enforcing its border with Hungary and stops trains and trucks to find and remove invaders (those poor sweet murdering Muslim immigrants).
Mary Ellen Miller, who held the Chair of the Miami-Dade County Republican Party twice, for extended periods, after John Edward (Jeb) Bush held it was one of the few Republican Party members who I actually could work towards goals and discuss matters with, was a rarity. Jeb and Ileana and many others, all knew her well. She would ask me to do things for her, knowing that I would accomplish the task without RINO stupidities or RINO boot licking or RINO subservience.
I am one of the base that he kept out. yet I crossed the fence and was standing among them.
I still say that the Republican party was be used as a tool to take it and the country back. Also support others who insist on going it alone as long as they do not damage the overall victory.
I talk too much, but this hits some of the nails squarely on the idiot heads.
I think Trump may just get it. I pray that he does.
As I heard at the breakfast this week, an old lady said that it mattered not where we had been, nor what we had done, but it matters what we are doing and a part of now.
Forgiveness, while remember the past, is called for in the good all of us can do. Trump may just be the best tool we have to save the Republic. However it goes, we must rally into the battle. The enemy has fostered invasions around the world. The armies are pouring into our nation. They must be stopped and expelled.
We must take over the strongholds and win the wars. The internal walls oof the deportation and expulsion must be rebuilt and used in the wars.
September 2, 2015 at 6:45 am
GWB
Well, they did a four-day enforcement exercise in CA recently, just focusing on illegal invaders who have done things like murder. They nabbed ~240. So, 60 a day.
So, if you expand that to 365 days, 50 states, it works out to 1.1 million a year. In just 10 years, that would be 11 million illegal invaders gone.
If you combined that with things like a fence, removing incentives (welfare, birthright citizenship, employment), and penalizing the home countries by not allowing remittances, I’m betting our problem would be mostly solved.
September 2, 2015 at 8:30 am
Ivan the Red
Anyone remember Operation Wetback? The operation in the 1954 had over 1M deportations along with commensurate people who didn’t want to be forcibly removed.
September 2, 2015 at 3:36 am
NotYetInACamp
” There are some people who, if they don’t already know, you can’t tell ’em. ”
Yogi Berra
Or, like Priebus, are part of the lying, so ya can’t tell ’em.
September 2, 2015 at 3:41 am
NotYetInACamp
When I was a young man without funds, I could walk into any “exclusive” organization across the land and be treated as someone who belonged there, and engage in conversation with almost all I met. Now everything has fences and guards, Identification is demanded to enter, and it is not for the better.
(The herd has been split)
September 2, 2015 at 5:45 am
Bill G
Ayup. Only small fences are needed, to protect the enclaves of the elite.
No need to put up one to help the peasants.
Not to mention that if the employment laws were enforced a great many of the illegals would leave on their own.
September 2, 2015 at 7:00 am
Grape
Every play Bridge? New card card called Fences incorporates some of the aspects of Monopoly with very high stakes.
My single Trump card (only one per game) is stronger and better than their kings, queens, and aces. After taking the trick(s) the Trump card is retained for future use to be used over and over again. All captured cards/players go directly to the jail w/o a key and forfeit all assets.
Difference is that this is no game – it is reality with which we are playing. The winning hand will determine our future!
September 2, 2015 at 7:10 am
Pamela
Okay, so somehow we manage to have the illegal alien law breakers returned to their home country. There are all of those jobs available that Americans won’t take. There are Americans getting generous welfare benefits when all the benefits are totaled together. Hmmm
September 2, 2015 at 8:24 am
B Woodman
Lady Pamela,
You’re good at hinting, but for those who need a club to see the obvious:
Remove the illegals. Those jobs left open, WILL be filled by Americans. WElfare will be cut until all jobs are filled.
Double plus bonus good. America saves money by not hiring illegals who send their earning across the border. America saves money by not giving unearned benefits to illegals. America saves money by cutting welfare. America has more citizens (even if they are LIV serfs) contributing to the income tax pool.
(Now, what America does with those income taxes is another story and rant).
September 2, 2015 at 8:00 am
markm
The problem with the fence is that we’d need about 10 times as many border guards just to catch the people climbing it and cuttiing holes in it. At the present INS staffing, if they used every employee to watch that fence, after you consider the number of shifts needed for 24×7 + vacations + training, meetings, and paperwork, the guards would be 5 miles apart. But a single man would be in trouble if anyone resisted arrest, so it would be pairs 10 miles apart. Even if a sensor network was installed that could tell them when anyone stepped over the border, with the lack of good roads along most of the border, half the time they’d be over the fence and out of sight before the guards arrived – or the illegals could go in larger groups and it would take hours to call in enough men to stop them.
So for the border fence to work, we’d need a major political shift to either greatly increase the budget for guarding the border, or an even bigger political shift to allow shooting illegals down from the air without giving them a real chance to surrender.
OTOH, this catch and release enforcement sure isn’t doing the job. I suggest sentencing illegal immigrants to a few months building a concrete block wall. The wall will barely slow them down, but chain-gang labor in the desert ought to discourage many of them from even trying.
September 2, 2015 at 8:29 am
B Woodman
OR- – – You build towers every 300 yards apart, 300 yards from the border, and man them with paired riflemen, with night vision, with orders to shoot to kill. Treat the invaders as just that – invaders of a foreign military. After a few corpses are left to rot in the sun, the word would quickly spread.
But you’re right in that in order for this to work, there would have to be a major political shift.
September 2, 2015 at 6:26 pm
John Greer
Better still, transfer the whole of BATF to INS and kill two birds with one stone.
September 2, 2015 at 8:14 am
markm
As for Trump, he thinks far too much of himself, he’s probably a RINO about everything but immigration, and unless I missed a proposal for a constitutional amendment, his talk about birthright citizenship makes him either a fool that shoots off his mouth without looking things up, or another damned politician with no respect for the Constitution.
The 14th Amendment is quite clear about this: anyone born in US territory is a citizen, except the child of someone here under a diplomatic passport. That’s all that “and subject to the jurisdiction” means – anyone we can arrest for crimes is under US jurisdiction. This phrase may have originally been intended also to apply to some native Americans, since in some ways Indian tribes were treated as sovereign nations who happened to share our territory, but this ended early in the 20th century. It never, ever meant illegal immigrants.
September 2, 2015 at 8:31 am
B Woodman
Just because “subject to jurisdiction” hasn’t been applied, does not mean that it doesn’t apply. It’s like every other law on the books. It’s sitting there, just waiting. . .
September 2, 2015 at 8:50 am
markm
It has been applied – there’s a 19th century supreme court case ruling that the children of Chinese immigrants are citizens, and that came from the same racist judges that approved of Jim Crow.
September 2, 2015 at 8:36 am
Jon
Somehow a fence protects our special weapons at PanTex. Google that in your maps app. You can see the fence from space.
September 2, 2015 at 8:51 am
markm
And how many guards are there per mile?
September 2, 2015 at 2:03 pm
cb
Build the fence/wall, designate the entire border a military training area and use it as such.
September 2, 2015 at 9:29 am
JimB
Fences and anti-personal mines will fix the problem. Towers with sharp shooters just makes it better…
September 2, 2015 at 1:20 pm
B Woodman
ANd sharpshooters are also employed. . . . .
September 2, 2015 at 11:29 am
John W.
Rinse Prius. Sounds like the name of car wash for wimpy little cars.
48 Comments
Fences don’t work huh? well then, lets take down the ones around the White House and the UN building.
Unless you’re paranoid, you don’t need no stinkin’ fences.
Just because you are paranoid, doesn’t mean that there isn’t somebody out to get you. Fences tend not to work for people and cows trying to get out, but they generally work just fine for people and cows trying to get in.
I recall walking guard duty along a fence in Korea… seems to have been working fine since 1953.
That fence had landmines and stuff. Are you advocating that? I don’t mind if you are – just wondering. 🙂
(My preference is for alligators. Maybe some chupacabras.)
Nah, you need those sneaky little neurotic poodles with bows in their hair and painted nails called Snookums and Pookie inside the fence.
And peke-a-poos. Even more twitchy, and with noses that rival a bloodhound’s.
Also, the human rights types will look pretty silly claiming violations of same when the “dangerous guard dogs” turn out to be Sneeples and Leelee piddling on a coyotero’s ankles.
cheers
eon
Good fences make good neighbors. As far as national border fences, if you are not going to use tall concrete barriers, like the israelis, maybe multiple, randomly placed land mines would be a good idea. A national border should mean something! There should be free flow out, but controlled blockage coming in.
If a fence doesn’t work then build a wall – the media’s socialist heroes all loved walls
Just to keep people they don’t like in. Not to keep “soldiers of liberation” out.
clear ether
eon
Actually, I back mine up with a .357 magnum and a 7.62 M14. For a fence to work, it MUST be backed up. Our border fence would probably work well, if we backed it up with something besides KY ointment.
Claymores
How can the wingtips not see the efficacy of fences? As Country Boy says, theirs has worked great keeping people out, but in? Not so much. Since ’08 I’ve said Sarahcuda can’t be prez but she’d be a helluva RNC chair; the Old Party might be Grand again, and I’d still have an R on my card instead of an I, and I know I’m not alone.
Chris, absolutely breathtaking silhouette work! 🙂
Mix of a photo and drawing!
A very nice job.
“How can the wingtips not see the efficacy of fences? As Country Boy says, theirs has worked great keeping people out, but in? Not so much. ”
They understand the efficiency of fences. You’re mistakenly assuming that they want to keep illegals out.
The Dems want a voting bloc that will keep them in power forever. So they can really put the screws on everybody they hate, which is pretty much everybody.
The GOPe want cheap labor for their corporate friends, and cheap domestic help for their mansions. They don’t mind being junior partners in a de facto one-party state, as long as they get paid regularly. And they dislike the Great Unwashed in Flyover Country just as much as the Dems do.
They have more in common with their “opposite numbers” than they do with their base- on both sides. After all, they see each other as “insiders” with a “correct” view of the world. That’s what you get when both sides are the product of the same cultural milieu’. ( Northeast, upper crust, Ivy League, etc.)
Slytherin does not like Muggles, never mind their abilities. In fact, ability is something that the ruling clique’ is utterly terrified of, as Ayn Rand correctly predicted.
clear ether
eon
Good observations, but missing my actual snarky reinforcement of Chris’ Trump “quote”, that the GOPers have effectively built ideological barriers that exclude their erstwhile base from the “party”, while agreeing with Country Boy that it’s a one-way barrier that allows and even encourages any actual conservatives to leave.
Yes, it’s more and more a one-party system we have now. And as you say, that’s how they want it, and not just for their own security, but because deep down theys all, dims and pubs alike believe in the One Party Principle…which is to say, aristocracy.
But they are forgetting that in the process they are creating another party, the No Name Party, those who place an I on their registrations, and who are so angry that they (we) are actively preparing for the New Revolutionary War.
If you want an example of this look no further than the People’s Democratic Republic of California, a state so dysfunctional they propose letting the Republicans vote in the Democratic Primary.
Israel built a 500 mile fence. Terrorist attacks dropped 90 percent.
Unrelated, but why do the girls in the sidebars have barcodes tattooed on them?
Just an artistic effect? Or a future storyline?
Flashback to “Dark Angel”?
The barcodes have been around for awhile. Looking at a DBD bookmark right now on the nightstand, from the “Resist We Much” time.
A few thoughts;
Australia built a 1200 mile long fence in the outback back in 1901. They built is with ox carts and manual labor.
I sent my complaints off to the RNC last week where I told them that they will let Fiorina into the debate or they will never see another cent of mine. I also told them that this may be the last election that I will register as a republican unless they get out of our way. Let the people choose the candidate. One part of that worked out. Maybe next we can get rid of Boehner, McConnell, and Preibus.
I was blase’ about Trump until last weekend. When he made his comment about the American people being tired of getting treated like “patsies” by the political elite, that was a real “hunh…this guy actually gets it” moment for me.
Actually I believe that actually enforcing expulsion and deportation and that invaders birthing here do not gain permanent residence then or later,nor citizenship ever, are some of the effects that obviate the need for a fence. That and the removal of any benefits whatsoever for illegally present foreign nationals (INVADERS) would reduce the benefit of the invasion.
The current invasion in the War in Europe shows that, just like here, having rewards for invading results in millions of invaders crossing the border.
If the invader was immediately returned to his native landm, there would be no problems, or fewer problems.
The crux is souring the milk so they will not come here to suck on the government teat. or just remove the teat from them.
The fence is the least effective tool in this battle. The enemy in Washington has removed the normal tools of a nation and waged war in all of the states by its non enforcement of laws, and by its creation of new privileges for the invaders who are allies of the enemy in Washington.
But in the War in Europe, Hungary has built a wall on a previously open border. Now The Czech republic has started sending troops to its border. Austria has started enforcing its border with Hungary and stops trains and trucks to find and remove invaders (those poor sweet murdering Muslim immigrants).
Mary Ellen Miller, who held the Chair of the Miami-Dade County Republican Party twice, for extended periods, after John Edward (Jeb) Bush held it was one of the few Republican Party members who I actually could work towards goals and discuss matters with, was a rarity. Jeb and Ileana and many others, all knew her well. She would ask me to do things for her, knowing that I would accomplish the task without RINO stupidities or RINO boot licking or RINO subservience.
I am one of the base that he kept out. yet I crossed the fence and was standing among them.
I still say that the Republican party was be used as a tool to take it and the country back. Also support others who insist on going it alone as long as they do not damage the overall victory.
I talk too much, but this hits some of the nails squarely on the idiot heads.
I think Trump may just get it. I pray that he does.
As I heard at the breakfast this week, an old lady said that it mattered not where we had been, nor what we had done, but it matters what we are doing and a part of now.
Forgiveness, while remember the past, is called for in the good all of us can do. Trump may just be the best tool we have to save the Republic. However it goes, we must rally into the battle. The enemy has fostered invasions around the world. The armies are pouring into our nation. They must be stopped and expelled.
We must take over the strongholds and win the wars. The internal walls oof the deportation and expulsion must be rebuilt and used in the wars.
Well, they did a four-day enforcement exercise in CA recently, just focusing on illegal invaders who have done things like murder. They nabbed ~240. So, 60 a day.
So, if you expand that to 365 days, 50 states, it works out to 1.1 million a year. In just 10 years, that would be 11 million illegal invaders gone.
If you combined that with things like a fence, removing incentives (welfare, birthright citizenship, employment), and penalizing the home countries by not allowing remittances, I’m betting our problem would be mostly solved.
Anyone remember Operation Wetback? The operation in the 1954 had over 1M deportations along with commensurate people who didn’t want to be forcibly removed.
” There are some people who, if they don’t already know, you can’t tell ’em. ”
Yogi Berra
Or, like Priebus, are part of the lying, so ya can’t tell ’em.
When I was a young man without funds, I could walk into any “exclusive” organization across the land and be treated as someone who belonged there, and engage in conversation with almost all I met. Now everything has fences and guards, Identification is demanded to enter, and it is not for the better.
(The herd has been split)
Ayup. Only small fences are needed, to protect the enclaves of the elite.
No need to put up one to help the peasants.
Not to mention that if the employment laws were enforced a great many of the illegals would leave on their own.
Every play Bridge? New card card called Fences incorporates some of the aspects of Monopoly with very high stakes.
My single Trump card (only one per game) is stronger and better than their kings, queens, and aces. After taking the trick(s) the Trump card is retained for future use to be used over and over again. All captured cards/players go directly to the jail w/o a key and forfeit all assets.
Difference is that this is no game – it is reality with which we are playing. The winning hand will determine our future!
Okay, so somehow we manage to have the illegal alien law breakers returned to their home country. There are all of those jobs available that Americans won’t take. There are Americans getting generous welfare benefits when all the benefits are totaled together. Hmmm
Lady Pamela,
You’re good at hinting, but for those who need a club to see the obvious:
Remove the illegals. Those jobs left open, WILL be filled by Americans. WElfare will be cut until all jobs are filled.
Double plus bonus good. America saves money by not hiring illegals who send their earning across the border. America saves money by not giving unearned benefits to illegals. America saves money by cutting welfare. America has more citizens (even if they are LIV serfs) contributing to the income tax pool.
(Now, what America does with those income taxes is another story and rant).
The problem with the fence is that we’d need about 10 times as many border guards just to catch the people climbing it and cuttiing holes in it. At the present INS staffing, if they used every employee to watch that fence, after you consider the number of shifts needed for 24×7 + vacations + training, meetings, and paperwork, the guards would be 5 miles apart. But a single man would be in trouble if anyone resisted arrest, so it would be pairs 10 miles apart. Even if a sensor network was installed that could tell them when anyone stepped over the border, with the lack of good roads along most of the border, half the time they’d be over the fence and out of sight before the guards arrived – or the illegals could go in larger groups and it would take hours to call in enough men to stop them.
So for the border fence to work, we’d need a major political shift to either greatly increase the budget for guarding the border, or an even bigger political shift to allow shooting illegals down from the air without giving them a real chance to surrender.
OTOH, this catch and release enforcement sure isn’t doing the job. I suggest sentencing illegal immigrants to a few months building a concrete block wall. The wall will barely slow them down, but chain-gang labor in the desert ought to discourage many of them from even trying.
OR- – – You build towers every 300 yards apart, 300 yards from the border, and man them with paired riflemen, with night vision, with orders to shoot to kill. Treat the invaders as just that – invaders of a foreign military. After a few corpses are left to rot in the sun, the word would quickly spread.
But you’re right in that in order for this to work, there would have to be a major political shift.
Better still, transfer the whole of BATF to INS and kill two birds with one stone.
As for Trump, he thinks far too much of himself, he’s probably a RINO about everything but immigration, and unless I missed a proposal for a constitutional amendment, his talk about birthright citizenship makes him either a fool that shoots off his mouth without looking things up, or another damned politician with no respect for the Constitution.
The 14th Amendment is quite clear about this: anyone born in US territory is a citizen, except the child of someone here under a diplomatic passport. That’s all that “and subject to the jurisdiction” means – anyone we can arrest for crimes is under US jurisdiction. This phrase may have originally been intended also to apply to some native Americans, since in some ways Indian tribes were treated as sovereign nations who happened to share our territory, but this ended early in the 20th century. It never, ever meant illegal immigrants.
Just because “subject to jurisdiction” hasn’t been applied, does not mean that it doesn’t apply. It’s like every other law on the books. It’s sitting there, just waiting. . .
It has been applied – there’s a 19th century supreme court case ruling that the children of Chinese immigrants are citizens, and that came from the same racist judges that approved of Jim Crow.
Somehow a fence protects our special weapons at PanTex. Google that in your maps app. You can see the fence from space.
And how many guards are there per mile?
Build the fence/wall, designate the entire border a military training area and use it as such.
Fences and anti-personal mines will fix the problem. Towers with sharp shooters just makes it better…
ANd sharpshooters are also employed. . . . .
Rinse Prius. Sounds like the name of car wash for wimpy little cars.
I think it’s rancid prius…hippies don’t wash. 😛
Did you know that your calendar is wonky? This is the second post for Sep 1st.
Erik Ya’ll is properly spelled Y’all. Thought I’d let Y’all know. 🙂